anybody been dusted by an import? i have a70 el 350 alum heads edelbrock etc etc and runs really well. i am scared to pair off with my wifes 04 v6 accord! this thing launches out of the hole like a rocket ! i think to call a car a muscle car you have to be able to take any rice rocket at any red lite 0 to 65 at least or you have shamed our hobby!

8) I once got dusted by a Honda Civic. He beat me by about his fenders length. The difference? I have about 3500.00 in my engine and he has about 9500.00 in his and sprayed on me at the end!

PaPa John

Yes, there are some pretty quick shoyu burners out there but no matter how fast they are I still consider them pesky little cockroaches.

papa i feel for you! at least you had the confidence to give him a shot. what can we do to stop these spraying fart machines? it just isnt right ! do you think it is time for nitrous? this is a real problem!

i feel much better . i just read Twas the night before christmas. ther really is hope!

I'm going to go with nitrous on my engine. Just for that little extra. I called a local shop today, n2o is $4.50 per pound x10lbs = $45 per fill. Not too bad for 100hp in a bottle.

I got beat by a bumper by a older MKII jetta, i smoked a mild modded toyota celica, hondas never wanna race me. I got a buddy witha 99 honda civic Si thats turboed witha RSX motor swap. 10:1 compression and hes boosting 9-13 lbs of boost and doesnt care!! He will beat a lot of cars. Puts EVO's, VR-4's, fully modded hondas, sprayed civic Si's, crxs, and a couple camaro z28s. I give SOME ricers props but not the ones with only fart cans!

-Anduh

I have never been dusted by an import, especially a Honda as of yet. Just remember that they will get the "jump" on you when you start out, but at the end all they can do is spray you because that is the only thing that is going to allow them to win because your top end is usually going to dominate them. To be on the safe side, just get yourself a "Top Shot" and spray them... only as a last result of course. :lol:

i think to call a car a muscle car you have to be able to take any rice rocket at any red lite 0 to 65 at least or you have shamed our hobby!

Don't set the standard too high for yourself.

Hyper tuned Ricers have come a long long way in the last several years. 1,000 HP NOS injected/Turbo'd 6 second 4 bangers (Anyone seen NOPI Tunervision lately?) are a formidable force to be reconed with, for sure. Wouldn't be surprised to see their street cousins running in the 10's. The new 400 HP Pontiac GTO can probably outrun it's 60s/70's predecessor, but it's got a long long way to go to be called a muscle car.

In other words, "Race winning only, does not a muscle car make". I think a "classic" look, sound and feel must be part of the equation as well.

Who knows, maybe 30 years from now perhaps there'll be 2 categories of muscle cars.

Hey Guys,
Thought I would tell You about my Friend's Rice Rocket that we have been building for the last coupla years. It's a '73 Datsun 510. We have a 300ZX v6 engine(fuel inj) with 5 speed to go in it. It's been lightened to bare bones, gonna come in at around 2000 lbs. Not sure of the gear, but suspension in it is all custom.... Guaranteed..... will be Scary Fast!!!
Body and paint done....waiting to be assembled...
Ron

yes they are fast but when was the last time you saw a 20+ year old *** crap car? the teck. is much better today then back in the 80s 70s 60s and the 50s. you take a 05 or 06 chevy vett. or a ford mustang the new hemi and add just a few of the things they do and now it's not even a race.
this i have seen on friday nights on the gandy

OK, once again I guess I am an old geezer. I admit it.

Could someone please explain the term "He sprayed on me at the end". What did he spray on you? :?

My Elky has it's original 305 with 232,000 miles on it. I don't know how many miles a factory 305 can go, but I plan on finding out. My Elky is a daily driver, it's not a speed demon but very reliable. Obviously I don't get into drag races.

My other car is my "go fast car" but I save all my go fast driving for the road race course. I guess that is why I have no tickets in the last 25 years.

8) In general, he could'nt beat me on motor alone so he hit the nitrous button. :)

PaPa John

i think it is 'nos'

I have way too much time and money in mine to waste on racing anybody. Besides, I don't have a corvette suspension under my 4th Gen and I'd need a 572 with a blower to come even close to the power to weight ratio of the little bugs. And with the body weight and sheer size any kind of race would be scary as hell. As it is I'm getting some front end raise just nailing it in passing gear with a 350 under the hood.

The import crowd is there because the cost of entry is fairly cheap. I can grab just about any decent 10 year old import for pennies. With an import you can buy all the go-fast goodies for far less than the equivalent level of performance parts in something like my 4th gen. We're talking suspension, braking, and driveline by the way, not just motor.

And honestly, the import would probably be a better handling car if you built it right unless you do the corvette thing and replace all the body panels with fiberglass.

But they'd still fear my big shiny chrome bumper...heh...

:cool:

Technology has done a lot for the internal combustion engine in the last decade and those small 4 and 6 bangers can be set up to generate a lot of HP. With a weight to HP ratio less than 8 to 1 in many cases those "ricers" are down right quick.

A guy here at work has a mild 2.2L VTEC with no NO2 setup that generates 230HP in a '01 Honda Prelude which he bought new for about $22K. All his modifications, including body and suspension work, has run him about $11K. Do the math on that setup and he looking at 12 pounds per horse with a total expenditure of $33K. He's just getting started good.

Now I, on the other hand, have $2K in my Elky plus $2K in engine and interior rebuild and probably generate close to the same power (there's a dyno here but I haven't visited there yet) but I am looking at somewhere around 17 pounds per horse with a total (so far) expenditure of $4K.

He's spent $143/HP 8O and I've spent $18/HP :o . He can "cut me a new one" but I still have something to be proud of ($$$ in the bank) with plenty of room to "expand my horizons". I can add a Edelbrock crate 383 from Summit Racing and get 8lb/HP for $10,232 and some change and I am still under $31/HP and I have a spare 350cid/TH350 to play with (Yes, I would need a new transmission along with other items to make it work). I didn't price out other performance engines and there may be better deals out there.

My friend does very little of his own work on the car and my son and I do all our work so I can't factor those cost into the formula but my time is worth something. Of course, my son is learning "how to" make things work and the practical applications of calculus in a real world not to mention the simple math of managing your cash flow and "not chewing off more than you can bite". That's payback to me and what value can be placed on that?

Then look at what's coming in the next ten years. A Larsen cycle 8 cylinder RADAX hydrogen engine producing 300 ft/lb of torque weighing in at 250lbs and can be started with a 12 volt lantern battery and produces clean air and water vapor as a byproduct. Did I mention that it fires each cylinder 3 time per revolution, is air cooled and can be expanded to 12, 16 and 20 cylinders all identical and hydrogen storage is approaching 10,000psi in mobile carbon fiber tanks?

All that said, there's always a faster car out there waiting to leave you in the dust. The "ricers" may be a chapter in muscle car history but it will not be the final chapter and hopefully I will live long enough to see the next generation of muscle cars "smoking" those chapter two guys and I can sit around with my family and friends sipping a latte telling stories of the "good old days" and get an ear full of how my grandson's second generation "ricer" was left sitting at the traffic light by a new fangled fusion car.

It's "Back to the Future", guys. :lol:

I live in Buffalo, NY. So I get to sit back and laugh at these lowered ricers with 18" rims drive through the snow and salt. Then in the summer I get to laugh again because the salt ate away at the fancy finish on the rims. Plus I don't really have to worry about the ricers in my area, 99% are just all show no go.

jayachtee, sipping a Latte, you must be a bunch younger that me, if we are sitting around bench lying, oops sorry racing I most offten have a barley pop, at least in my play pen (garage) later

SloRide, I'm looking five decades squarely in the eyes but those 12 ounce curls are too hard on me! I have to watch my figure so I can slide under the Elky. :lol:

I do love a good pint but give me my coffee or give me death. :-D

8) I just got taller jack stands! :lol: :lol:

PaPa John

Now taller jack stands just scare the poop out of me. I guess I'll get used to it but it going to take some time. Maybe I should have a pint or two and then jack it up? :)

8) I hear that! My sons make fun of me because I also use wooden blocks as a safety stop along with the stands. I learned a long time ago what can happen. I spent 3 hours trapped under a car that fell barely able to breathe. :( When I block up a car it won't budge. :cool:

PaPa John

My cousin was working under his car and got his face and chest crushed when I was but a lad. He drank milkshakes for 6 months while his mouth was wired shut. He had a button rivet on his forehead that held the bone plate in place for about three months. Thank God someone was there and able to get the car off and call the hospital.

It left an impression!

I hate jackstands. I prefer drive up ramps and if I have to jackstands with ramps under a spot that keeps the car well away from me if it slips off.

I had a 79 Z28 that fell off the jackstands once. I happened to be working on the starter at the time which happens to be the nastiest area of that particular car if it falls. Luckily I got out in time before the last jackstand tipped over but it's an experience that till gives me the willys every time I am forced to use jackstands. I had the subframe resting on my chest and the starter kissing my face before I got out.

As for ricers. Around here, you can pick up an 10 year old import anything, including European imports in ok condition for less than 2K and you can drive it to work every day. Since they are already 1000 pounds less than my ride they have the weight advantage. Now they only have to spend like 10 grand to get something that would make a vette sit up and notice. No way could I get that performance out of my rig for that kind of investment. Not without radically modifying the car.

:D

Deviating from the original topic, This summer, the local Car Cruise scene here in RI held its 1st Ralph Johnson memorial fundraiser. Ralph was killed when his car (red 62 Chevy Impala as I recall) fell and pinned him underneath. It does happen. Ever since I heard of the incident, I've been much more cautious when I jack the car up. I don't want to become the area's second statistic. :(

sucks for you guys that have ricers that can keep up. Where I live the little ricers have absolutly notin except the coffe can mod, I just got back from pizza plus when some jackass in a civic pulled behind me and continued to ride my bumper all the way to the on ramp to get on the interstate so I decided to scare him a little and slammed on brakes right before I got to the ramp. I heard his tires skid and he swerved a little, then we got on the interstate and he pulls up next to me and calls me a ass for doin that. So I decided to settle it by filling his mouth full of rubber and gunned it. He couldnt keep up. The bad thing is i have a mostly stock 79 elky SS cept for dual exhaust stickier tires and a 625cfm carb. :lol:

The El Camino is my shepherd;
I shall not want.
It maketh me burnout on black pavements;
It leadeth me beside busy freeways.
It restoreth my soul;
It leads me in the path of quickness
For it's name's sake.

Yea,though i walk through the valley of rice,
I shall fear no turbo;for torque art with me;
Thy rod and Thy piston,they comfort me.

Thou preparest a track before me
in the presence of mine enemies;
Thou hast anointed my bearings with oil;
My car overpowers.
Surely traction and victory shall follow me
all the days of my life;
And i shall dwell in the house of the V8
Forever.
Amen.

The El Camino is my shepherd;
I shall not want.
It maketh me burnout on black pavements;
It leadeth me beside busy freeways.
It restoreth my soul;
It leads me in the path of quickness

thats awsome, very nice. Im gonna frame that and put it in my room lol

Well guys , thanks for all the replys and poetry .I guess i have set the standard a little high but back in the day ( early 70s ) imports werent even close to even thinking of pulling on even a stock v8. technology has been very good to those ricers .i still have to give any rice a shot from a red lite if they need it! if they get me i will maintain my dignity and chalk one up to technology. dont get me wrong ,i dont go out looking for trouble i just like to see things kept in there place , if you know what i mean. i will look into nitrous soon ,fair is fair. but for now i have to figure out how to install my new ss replacement dash , see i only have a malibu custom . i thought i was going to keep it that way until my wife got me this ss dash for christmas. so soon you guys will have to look very close to see if i have a true ss. any body know where i can get a 396? oh yea, merry christmas!

Yeah, hooray for N20!!!

Well I've never taken on any rice in my Elco, but I haven't had any problems beating most of them down in my 3.8l Firebird. :wink:
Though I think the better gears and posi that come with the GM performance package on my car helps a little. :-D

Well I've never taken on any rice in my Elco
you should try it some time, its fun, especially when they get mad about losin and start making excuses :-D . Call them a go-kart with a weed eater motor in it, THEY HATE THAT SO MUCH, but thats why its funny lol.

Well I've never taken on any rice in my Elco
you should try it some time, its fun, especially when they get mad about losin and start making excuses :-D . Call them a go-kart with a weed eater motor in it, THEY HATE THAT SO MUCH, but thats why its funny lol.

I'm still working out a few bugs after my 350 swap...so I haven't done much playing around with them. Right now the car is just loud...it isn't fast.....yet. :wink:

neither is mine that makes it even funnier! just a stock 305 with some 2.5inch flowmasters, and a 625cfm carb, but hopefully soon Ill really be able to smoke em with a 383 :twisted:

any of you guys know of any web sites that show what quartermile times are for stock imports? this could be handy info.

neither is mine that makes it even funnier! just a stock 305 with some 2.5inch flowmasters, and a 625cfm carb, but hopefully soon Ill really be able to smoke em with a 383 :twisted:

well sadly right now mine is slower than your stock 305. :-(

I have some issues I need to work out with the transmission and I'm working on a brake problem as well. After that I think I need to re-jet my carb so it stops running so rich, and then I should be all set. :P

And steve, other than maybe a website that keeps track of car performance in general, I think you'd have better luck finding 1/4 mile times for a specific car. Otherwise it's just waaay too much info to keep track of.

Stock normal ricers are usually around 15-17. I am aiming for the SRT-4 and WRX Sti so my car goal is 13.0 so I wouldn't need to worry. All these online calculators paired with desktop dyno tell me I can meet that goal (assuming I get the power to the ground).

Stock normal ricers are usually around 15-17.

That sounds about right. I should be trapping mid 15's in the 1/4 in my firebird so....yeah.

My goal for my Elco is to be able to hit low 13's possibly high 12's in the 1/4. I believe I've got a ways to go yet..but that's my goal for right now. ;)

xbeasleyx, you have desktop dyno? Is it any good, i got $200 for christmas from grandfather, is it worth the buy?

Um, Couldn't tell you if its worth the money. I can tell you I love BitTorrent downloading. :cool:

o ok, i use limewire but it doesnt have it, im gonna download bit torrent then

Rice is the #1 staple food of the underprivaliged of the world! If you drive a ricer consider yourself to therefore being underprivaliged.

I have yet to see a rocket that is powered by rice...I do not think that the Chinese have even figured out how to do this...therefore the term rice rocket does not hold any value. If rockets were powered by rice I don't think they would ignite. I like rockets...big ones...with large warheads! 8)

"Rice burner" would be more appropriate...taking rice and and putting it through a fermentation process could feasibly create a fuel that could be burned in a combustable engine. I believe that the first person to accomplish this was an American man named Ben. The process was documented by his nephew...that's right...Uncle Bens converted rice.

what did you type in? I cant find it.

I'm a Chevy man since day 1, thats over 35 yrs! and If you think that all rice burner are all the same, Your wrong. We have a Toyota Supra, and a Mitsubishi 3000 VR4 (4wheel drive, 4wheel steer), one a I6 and one V6, niether is stock, if either pulled up next to you, you would not know it was not stock! Both! will blow your doors off with Out the NOS used! Both are 700+hp in a weightless car and driven every day.
This is only the average to what they drive in alot of the rice burners. We build and sale our own line of High Performance Turbo's and aftermarket parts for Toyota's and Mits's and they are running between 700 and 1500 hp on the street every day!
BUT!!! I drive my American Iron ('68 El Camino) to work everyday! My money stay's in the USA!

Pat

Well my definition of a rice burner is this......
RICE BURNER-POS, multicolored car whose owner thinks its fast because it sounds like a mosquito, has a air filter, a ****ty muffler, a oversized wing that does nothing to help the car infact it probably makes it worse, and a multicolored body kit with rips and tears all over it. See also-retarded, turbocharged 4 door, turbocahrged 4 cylinder.
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My definition of rice is the same.

I definitely don't think all japanese made cars are rice though...I've got a lot of respect for supras even though they can make 1500hp and still run 11's. :P

No if someone, anyone, modifies their car for performance...and doesn't act like a dummy who thinks their car is the fastest thing to ever be created when it runs a 16 sec 1/4...then I give them props. They're modifying a car that they like, and in a lot of cases it takes a lot of knowledge and smarts to make those cars run fast times. They may only be running 14's and 15's instead of 10's and 11's..but if you consider where a lot of them started then they made nearly as much improvement as someone with a modified LS1 camaro or a bigblock 70 chevelle.

Just my .02 cents