: Removal of pollution, emission control systems and ECM
Gramps82SS 05-09-2006, 08:25 PM I am looking for expert advise and I think I have found the experts.
My 82SS has a 305 engine with a E4ME carb.and a 200C, 3 speed automatic.
I would like to remove all the pollution, emission control systems and the whole ECM computer control system. I have heard that the ECM also controls the shifting.
What are my options to get around this mess of plumbing, solenoids and switches???
I know I will have to change the intake manifold, carb,and a new HEI distributor.Also adding duals. What else?
Thanks
mhamilton 05-11-2006, 11:57 AM I am not 100% sure, but I don't believe the CCC system controls trans shift. It may control the converter lockup, but that would be it.
If you want to remove the system, simply remove every component. The transmission lockup can be changed to work off ported vacuum/electric switch as was used on the pre-'81 Chevrolets.
I would be hesitant to run that 305 without an EGR valve. You may end up burning the valves eventually. But, aside from changing the HEI and carb to non-computer models, it should be okay.
-Michael
1BadElky 05-11-2006, 01:55 PM I am facing the same issue, I have the carb, intake and distributor installed, but still have to deal with the TCC and computer removal.
WhisperPC 05-11-2006, 05:08 PM This may be a foolish question, but WHY do you want to remove this stuff? I expect that the Feds will be forcing more and more states to clean up their emissions. For some reason, private cars are hit before industrial polluters. Cars that have had the gear removed would need to have it all reinstalled, which can be EXPENSIVE. Of course, if it's not to be used on the street, this doesn't matter, but a non-street car wouldn't have a 305 either.
It is my opinion that there are better ways of increasing HP than removing the computer/emissions gear. Unfortunately these other methods are more costly in the short run, but I expect that they'll cost most people less in the long run.
mhamilton 05-11-2006, 06:46 PM I agree with WhisperPC... there is little to be gained from removing the computer "just because." Not to flame the original poster, he said he wanted to use aftermarket parts.
I suspect the performance gains from just removing the emissions controls are minimal. The air pump is a negligable load on the engine (the OP did say he was going to headers, so that makes sense). The EGR helps reduce combustion temps, and prevents detonation. And the computer (even the 'antique' C3 system) can adjust the carb mixture and timing much better than any of the old manual setups ever could--which translates to better performance and economy. If it were mine, I would leave the computer and save money on gas!
Gramps82SS 05-11-2006, 08:21 PM Hey guys I really appreciate your comments and great information.
Let me clarify and list some of my objectives and not in any particular order of importance.
1. I have shorty headers to install so I can get rid of all the air pump plumbing.
2. Engine is very sluggish starting out and it should not be, even tho I get between 19 and 20 MPG on the highway.
3. The EGR could be kept as Elderbrock has EGR manifolds. I built a 375 H.P., 355 C.I. engine for my 64 Malibu SS with no EGR and have no problems with it.
4. This is not a performance car,I would like neater engine compartment and not so sluggish an engine. All the hoses and wires drive me nuts compared to my 64 Malibu.
5. I do most of the work and would keep everything taken off.
Thanks and comments please.
mhamilton 05-12-2006, 05:48 PM Don't mind my comments, I just find it annoying when people talk about removing factory equipment because they think an EGR valve is robbing 30 hp :) Of course I did not intend my comments toward you, since you said in your first post you were adding headers, etc. I was just commenting in general.
Re the '64 Malibu. The '82 305 was designed to work with the EGR, and even though it will run fine without the EGR, I would just be concerned about the long-term effects. I don't know your engine's mileage, but it's likely that old EGR needs to be replaced at this point anyway.
Since you do not want to spend any time repairing the original C3 system, you will be fine as long as you remove all the parts. But I expect gas mileage will suffer (if that matters to you).
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