Hmmm..... Nice to post this I guess, but we have a very detailed list of detailing tips in the, well.... detailing forum.

You can share tips on "how-to" but I would also be very careful to name product brand names to use. You may suggest. There are just too many opinions on what works best. I would not even go there.

On one of your last detailing posts on "everything you need" for detailing you forgot the number one item before you start any exterior detailing.....clay-bar.

Don't forget every car's condition is different and the detailing steps are never the same. A car off the showroom floor still requires a clay-bar prep as well as a older car.....but the many steps differ from there. The steps on how they are applied and the conditions that even the weather temp may bring must be considered and dealt with.

I have about 35 years of detailing experience under my belt. Many of those when I had my own detailing business.

I buy no means intend to sound negative here. It's nice to see your post and offer to help our members here.

"Wax on wax off"

Dave

Instead of separate emailings it would be better to simply post your "routine" here so everyone can comment on it. The idea of these forums is to share information and discussion.

But it is simple to get the email and forward it to everybody then they can print it off without the reply from everybody on the forum.

No they can copy the list that you make if they want to, but why wouldn't you want others to comment? I remember your endorsement of ArmorAll which is not a favorite product among detailers as well as omiting clay as was mentioned above. Comment and general consensus is good to have, that's why these forums exist. Everyone has a different opinion when it comes to detailing so a healthy discussion is very welcome.

Also, posting emails on the forum isn't a good idea, spammers pick them up that way.

. . . . .without the reply from everybody on the forum.


With omitting clay (which is a "basic" to get a great finish/shine) - and endorsing Armor-All (which no one but an amature, or one who doesn't know) , I would think, maybe you "would want" comments from everybody on the forum. Seems, you might need the advice. . . . 8O

The El Camino Kid, very commendable offer to provide the information to those who request it but I agree with Leo that it is best to keep the information public and open to other opinions.

I subscribe to Clay myself. My "party trick" is, run your finger/s lightly over the surface of the paint, feels smooth and free of contaminents?, then do the same thing with your hand in a plastic baggy. The sensitivity is multiplied and all of a sudden you can feel all the contaminent particles. Clay will remove these and prep the paint for polish and wax.

Your technique of using 2000 grit can only be done a very limited number of times before you wear through the clear or paint.

I don't use a crappy clay bar. First I wash the car down with dish washing soap and then wet sand the car with 2000 grit paper and buff it out to a beautiful shine

Please.....don't anyone try this at home!!!!!

I'm sorry but that statement is the most "Not to do" quote I have ever heard in detailing.

But, I'm not here to attack you. As this forum is intended to be, I'm here to help you, as well as others.

CLAY BAR: A unique product that instantly removes the environmental contaminants which can deteriorate a vehicle's finish. This product was developed as a solution to the increasing damage being done to the finishes of today's vehicle due to harsh pollutants that burn right through conventional protectants. Invisible pollutants such as industrial fallout, car exhaust and oxidation from acid rain, along with visible impurities like road tar, tree sap and insect residue, can irreversible damage a new finish in a few short years. Clay bars are also effective in removing paint over-spray. All this without harming the paint.....PERIOD!

This is the best product ever developed for detailing.

Use it!

Dave

BIG DEAL! I like Aromor All Gel on my tires. But I don't use a crappy clay bar. First I wash the car down with dish washing soap and then wet sand the car with 2000 grit paper and buff it out to a beautiful shine. I not trying to run a detail shop.

Dish soap? Are you serious? I use that (Dawn) only once a year to strip off old wax, it's very caustic to paint finishes.

Crappy clay bar? You've obviously never used one.

Wet sanding? Are you delirious? Wet sand only to remove swirl marks and then very carefully and very rarely. You won't have any clearcoat left after too long.

This is really a big joke isn't it? Post some pictures of your finish in sunlight, we'd like to see it.

Gee, everyone sure has their own tricks.

Just send it to me:

Mdalleska@hotmail.com

Thanks and I'm always willing to learn,

Elky77

But I don't use a crappy clay bar. Well, that in itself, shows your level of knowledge. . . First I wash the car down with dish washing soap Worst thing you can use. . . and then wet sand the car with 2000 grit paper and buff it out to a beautiful shine. And, how long before you sand through the clear/paint? I not trying to run a detail shop.But, you were the one telling everyone how you wanted their emails, so you could "provide" a step by step guide to super detailing. . . .I think, you need to learn yourself, first!

ECK, if you're not cautious, your attempt to be courteous will come across as arrogance. You're talking to a group of almost 10,000 auto enthusiasts and professionals. An approach to a group as wise as this would be to assemble the volumes of good info already herein and ask a lot of questions. Hate to break it to you, there just ain't no way you'll know more than this collective group about - well, anything.

And just a little trivia for you. ArmourAll voids warranties on certain tires and vinyl products. I learned that little lesson when I voided the warranty on some seats. 8O

Take care.

You're out of your element here junior. You are trying to do a battle of wits, when you are a one armed bandit. .

You are also up against some of the best guys in the business on here. I would think long and hard before I started telling Leo and some of the others how to "detail" a car. He sells all the equipment to do it - - AS HIS BUSINESS!

You are letting your testosterone get in ahead of your abilities (which do not seem to be very good, at best). Some of these guys have been detailing cars, while you were still sh*t*ing brown, and wearing diapers (which I'm not sure, you have been out of for very long).

Why not learn about what you are talking about, before you want to become the "expert" on the subject. You may have won a couple of awards, but winning an award, when there are only 3 entrants, isn't that big of a deal.

Try being a little humble, and ask for advice - instead of acting like you have all the answers. . .it works lots better. I would venture to say, there isn't anyone on here who would not give you their advice - - - just ask. . 8)

This thread (http://www.detailersclub.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3722) explains very well why products like Armor All are not good to use. I don't know if you have to sign up on the forum to read it but give it a try.

DO NOT MAKE A POST ON THIS TOPIC :evil:

Any particular reason why not? :?

8) As with anything there are pros and cons. Why not just post you routine and generate a little constructive conversation on the subject. I know I have put ideas out there and found I was doing something wrong but at the same time I also learned what I was doing right! :cool:

lets all be happy

that is how he details mabey he does get a better shine wet sanding and buffing im sure it would be better than a clay bar cause it would be like new fresh paint job but it would eventually not work cause you would burn through your clear coat

although if you detail the car regulary it would stay looking new using a clay bar (im guessing on this one i have never used a clay bar lol) (or a buffer or wet sanding for that fact lol)

i pretty much know nothing about detailing a show car

but i do know that useing about a cup of and a half of car wash concentrate with carnuba and adding a about half a cup of purple power can realy clean a car well and then using that liquid ice turtle wax stuff works pretty darn good but thats just me

can any one tell me a quick way to clean and wax a car with there favorite brands i want to learn

The El Camino Kid has asked me to delete his post. While I can and will delete what he posted, I will NOT delete what others have said in their reply'.

I think that deleting his posts establishes a bad precident. They really should be left so people reading the thread can read and understand everyone's opinions. Hopefully you can repost them.

Good point Leo, but he already deleted most of what he posted. There were a couple of his reply's that he couldn't delete and asked me as moderator to assist him in deleting what he had written.

I think that any member for whatever reason should be able to retract what they said/wrote. I'm pretty sure that members can go back and edit their own posts, but that there is a time limit on that.

I did mention to him and others that I would NOT delete what others had said in responce to his post. That would be censorship.

I understand 100% what you are saying Jay, and to a point, agree with your rational. However, on this one as a whole, I have to agree with Leo.

When someone - anyone - gets on a forum/thread and professes to know all there is to know about a subject, to the point they want to start a "newsletter" to send out to others, then (in my way of thinking) they should KNOW ALL there is to know about that subject.

I don't profess to know all there is to know about detailing a car - but, I read what others post (Leo, Bowtie, Ernie, etc.) add my own experienc to it, and go from there. Leo as an example does this for a living - and obviously, pretty darn successful at it. . . .

Again, to my way of thinking, "The ElCamino Kid" is just that - acting like a kid, that someone took his sucker away from.. . . . ."well, if I can't have it my way - I'll just take my 2000 grit paper, and go home. Just delete what I said. . . . ."

But, like you said - they are his words, he has a right to delete them. Hopefully before he jumps on some of these guys with all their knowledge about any other subject - he will learn a little more, about that subject.

But, that's JMO. . . .

I can easily build a case either way (to delete or not delete). Still, we need our moderators to exercise good judgment and Jay did so. I and we appreciate him for his service. That's why you make the big bucks, hey Jay?

At a personal level though, IMO, a young member missed an opportunity to learn how to better communicate with experienced adults. It would have been better had he just humbled himself a little, shown some courtesy, and moderated his position. Then the thread would have evolved from there in a positive way. After all, this actually is a fairly congenial bunch. Except me of course. :P

By the way, that could still happen and maybe he will consider it. Are you listening?

Take care.

I NEVER SIAD I KNEW EVERYTHING! :evil: I WANTED TO GIVE A SIMPLE EASY WAY FOR THE PEOPLE THATWANTED TO KNOW HOW TO DETAIL THERE CAR!

Ding Ding Ding round two anyone :?

Enough already, let it go. Keep it up and I'll send all you boys to your rooms with nothing but Datsun pictures to look at. :buttkick: No Chevys much less Elkys for a week. :screwy:

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