Well, I don't know if this has been mentioned 'round these parts yet, but I happened to be poking around the GM website, when I stumbled onto the G8 Sport Truck.... it's basically a Grand Prix with a truck bed, Elky spiritual successor :D


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subject goes back mabe as much as a year on this site. There is a contest by pontiac to get a name for the thing. Don't get to close to the pro-type as if your realy an Elky lover you will puck it so bad as toi the lines and stance its funny and the front grille is a BMW wanta be or close.


Its not an El Camino and will never be it will get a name soon and will be just another imported model sold as a US car.

holy crap dude! 94 posts in a month and a half? somebody's off to a good start :lol: .

I dont know if I even average that on here (I didn't post for awhile after I joined though)... now S10forum is another story...

subject goes back mabe as much as a year on this site. There is a contest by pontiac to get a name for the thing. Don't get to close to the pro-type as if your realy an Elky lover you will puck it so bad as toi the lines and stance its funny and the front grille is a BMW wanta be or close.


Its not an El Camino and will never be it will get a name soon and will be just another imported model sold as a US car.

BMW wanna-be? It's just like a Grand Prix... they've had that design (well, close variations of it) for a decade...

I like it *shrugs* I'd never ever buy a new car, for many reasons... but if I were, it certainly seems like an appealing option. Its lines look like they're drawn alot from elks... just look at where the B-pillar meets the truckbed. It's just... more curvey.


holy crap dude! 94 posts in a month and a half? somebody's off to a good start Laugh .

I dont know if I even average that on here (I didn't post for awhile after I joined though)... now S10forum is another story...

Heh, what can I say... I'm very enthusiastic about my Elk... and need alot of info on it :P

I'll be celebrating my 100th post with free transmissions for all!! Certain terms, conditions and restrictions may apply. Check your local dealer for details. Offer only available to citizens of the Twilight Zone, where I can afford to give out free transmissions

Story with pics have been on our home page for months!

I read somewhere that the name most given in the contest was El Camino. Pontiac says no it will not call it that. This should tell the thick heads at GM that they are placing the truck in the wrong line.
Then there is the fact that Pontiac is in the skids and it most likely the next GM line to go. So if it makes it to the US don't count on it being around long.
Mike

Its been mentioned many times on here.

It is not based on the GRAND PRIX in any way whatsover.

It is a G8. RWD with a 360 Hp 6.0 ltr V8.

A G8 is a Holden Commodore from Australia.

A G8 ST is a Holden Commodore Utility from Australia.

An 04-06 GTO was a Holden Monaro from Australia.

Winner of the contest was leaked about two weeks ago, name has not been chosen yet.

I know it's based on the G8 :P I'm just saying, it's the same front end styling you see on Grand Prix as well. All the Pontiac front-ends look alike these days, except the solstice :P

That's too bad about Pontiac though... they've made some good cars in the past... but they are kind of going downhill... Really, they should have gone before Oldsmobile.

They tied to make the poor mans BMW and totally lost their identity. Pontiac has been ruined by the idiots at GM. I have seen the Holden SS, it would make one bad a** El Camino. I just hate to see them kill it's chance on GM's dyeing car line.
Mike

Pontiac has finally started to get better lately. They used to have all kinds of plastic crap on the outside of their cars with weird designs. The designs are much cleaner now. No other GM division has a RWD sedan(except the too expensive Caddilacs). Oldsmobile was an old persons car, about as bad as Buick. Buick needs to go first before Pontiac. At least Pontiac has the Solstice which is a nice car. They used the Pontiac G8 front end since it costs so much to recertify a different design for saefty testing, blame the safety nazis for Pontiac making it. The emissions certification would probably also be higher. If it doesnt come with an option for a manual trans I wont buy one. The G8 will have a manual trans option so maybe theres hope.

Ahem, Buick an "old person's car" that should go away ? Tell that to the GN and GNX and Supercharged Regal GS drivers. I have been buying/driving Le Sabres for the last 15 years, trading them after nearing 200K miles with 0 problems and they are THE best and most comfortable/reliable daily drivers made in the USA. The 3800 V6 is rated among the top ten best motors of the century. Maybe Pontiac should go, like Olds did by just not giving their customer base, young or old, what they wanted or expected. As far as the "new" Ute coming over, I will buy one in about 3-5 years after they lose the newness-high price-wow look at me- at a reasonable price thank you

The last new GN or GNX was in 88, 20 years ago. That was the last good thing from Buick. Anything after that was FWD crap, and most drivers are in the senior citizen age that drive them. Every Buick I have seen around here is driven by people over 60 and I have been checking them out to see if the stereotype is true. So far, the stereotype has held true. They are fine cars if you like boring mushy riding suspension and like to drive slow in the fast lane. Its an American version of the Camry. Never said they were junk as far as reliability goes, they do run a long time. The old 3.8 in the early 80's were kind of crappy but the newer version are pretty good.
Ill probably wait like you and pick up a used one after the depreciation is absorbed by the first buyer. Depends on if they come with an optional manual trans and how the prices on a used Camaro/Challenger are.

Mark, First of all I see you are new here. Welcome to the best El Camino site on the web. There are folks here of every age, from teen first car newbies to grandads. When you took your little survey of Buick drivers in your village, did you ask any of them geezers what their second cars were ? The only intelligent and redeeming statement you made was comparing my Le Sabre to a Camry, the highest quality mass produced car on the planet. And one last thing. My daughter's chipped 2003 Regal GS FWD junk has been known to wax more than a few Audis and Bimmers...

this sounds pretty official (http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.emerald.gm.com/gmnews/viewmonthlyreleasedetail.do?domain=21&docid=44423)

but local dealer's haven't a clue

You haven't talked to the right dealer. Some know a lot about what is coming. The sales GM probably knows quite a bit. My local Pontiac GMC dealer sales GM is an alumni club buddy and he knows a fair amount about this vehicle.

Pontiac started going downhill around the same time the Firebird got pulled. The Fugly AZTEC minivan and now the Toyota produced (proof is on last week's Motorweek) Pontiac VIbe (Toyota MAtrix) with a Toyota FWD setup is just an affront to me.

The G8 is ok but still a bit sedate looking. My mom owns an 08 solstice Twin Turbo GXP that gets 27MPG. It's ok but I hate the front end and see more BMW than Pontiac in it.

At least they're a GM division that believes in making RWD cars instead of all these FWD also-rans.

I hope something exciting happens. Personally I'd like to see a G8 with a lower roofline and a GTO badge on the side of it. It would be more in line with what GTO buyers from the musclecar days expect.

I've submitted a few different names for the new UTE. Nobody's called me yet so I guess I didn't win..
:sigh:

Well, as I see it, there are three things we need to keep in mind:

l. It's a Pontiac - NOT a Chevy, therefore, it's NOT an El Camino.

2. It's Another foreign POS, I don't care who is in charge of marketing it.

3. It won't make it - just like the revived GTO. Don't believe it - just wait and see.

Well, as I see it, there are three things we need to keep in mind:

l. It's a Pontiac - NOT a Chevy, therefore, it's NOT an El Camino.

2. It's Another foreign POS, I don't care who is in charge of marketing it.

3. It won't make it - just like the revived GTO. Don't believe it - just wait and see.

4. The above 3 points are just opinions of dcar and should not be taken as fact.

5. GMC is not Chevy and therefore sprints and cabelleros should not be mentioned on this site.

6. The GTO was not cancelled as a chassis, it morphed into the G8. The name may have been retired.

Well, as I see it, there are three things we need to keep in mind:

l. It's a Pontiac - NOT a Chevy, therefore, it's NOT an El Camino.

2. It's Another foreign POS, I don't care who is in charge of marketing it.

3. It won't make it - just like the revived GTO. Don't believe it - just wait and see.

4. The above 3 points are just opinions of dcar and should not be taken as fact.

5. GMC is not Chevy and therefore sprints and cabelleros should not be mentioned on this site.

6. The GTO was not cancelled as a chassis, it morphed into the G8. The name may have been retired.


7. Wrong - "FACT! ! ! !"

8. You need to learn to read, and pay attention. I "never" said anything about Sprints and Cabs - "I said it's NOT an El Camino just like the title of the thread says. . . 8O 8O

9. Refer to the above. Again, learn to read. I never said anything about a chassis - I said, "The revived GTO was cancelled." and it was. Poor sales, no one wanted it. You can sell a pig in a bucket to "someone" out there. That does not mean, the general buying public wants it. Just a small group of fools. Same thing will happen to this POS Ute. 8) But, I suspect you already know that. . . 8O

Well, as I see it, there are three things we need to keep in mind:

l. It's a Pontiac - NOT a Chevy, therefore, it's NOT an El Camino.

2. It's Another foreign POS, I don't care who is in charge of marketing it.

3. It won't make it - just like the revived GTO. Don't believe it - just wait and see.

4. The above 3 points are just opinions of dcar and should not be taken as fact.

5. GMC is not Chevy and therefore sprints and cabelleros should not be mentioned on this site.

6. The GTO was not cancelled as a chassis, it morphed into the G8. The name may have been retired.


7. Wrong - "FACT! ! ! !"

8. You need to learn to read, and pay attention. I "never" said anything about Sprints and Cabs - "I said it's NOT an El Camino just like the title of the thread says. . . 8O 8O

9. Refer to the above. Again, learn to read. I never said anything about a chassis - I said, "The revived GTO was cancelled." and it was. Poor sales, no one wanted it. You can sell a pig in a bucket to "someone" out there. That does not mean, the general buying public wants it. Just a small group of fools. Same thing will happen to this POS Ute. 8) But, I suspect you already know that. . . 8O

and so it begins.....

:-P

dcar, bless you my son, for another person has spoken the truth, I have said in every post re: this subject. I only wish we could get a poll going on this subjest and put the money in trust. When this foreign MINI fruck fails and is cannceled like the GTO (glorified tempest overdrive).
Its Ok to bring out any new model and style a MFG wants to, but don't piggy back it onto a different MFG's solid old name sake and then keep trying to refer back to it in every add or descussion.
I don't like the style, but that's me, it indeed may sell anyway even if it makes it (not) "my bad" let it run on itself. Just one thing for the leader of the for it comments a) not a Chevy B) not amercian C) not an el Camino D) style lines suck on and on and on. Please buy it and post a pic on any site you want but not the EL CAMINO SITE we have seen it already. PLEASE DON'T USE THE LAME SPRINT & CAB argument they were licesened by Chevrolet for construction in the corresponding years.

If it gets changed to the Chevy name this can start again for now kill it, dump it, delete it, and let find a new thing to kill. GAS

NO REPLY NEEDED it will be a repeeeeeeeet

subject goes back mabe as much as a year on this site. There is a contest by pontiac to get a name for the thing. Don't get to close to the pro-type as if your realy an Elky lover you will puck it so bad as toi the lines and stance its funny and the front grille is a BMW wanta be or close.


Its not an El Camino and will never be it will get a name soon and will be just another imported model sold as a US car.

Would that be like the Elc's that were assembled in the mexican plant? Please to explain the difference cowboy.

Well, as I see it, there are three things we need to keep in mind:

l. It's a Pontiac - NOT a Chevy, therefore, it's NOT an El Camino.

2. It's Another foreign POS, I don't care who is in charge of marketing it.

3. It won't make it - just like the revived GTO. Don't believe it - just wait and see.

4. The above 3 points are just opinions of dcar and should not be taken as fact.

5. GMC is not Chevy and therefore sprints and cabelleros should not be mentioned on this site.

6. The GTO was not cancelled as a chassis, it morphed into the G8. The name may have been retired.


7. Wrong - "FACT! ! ! !"

8. You need to learn to read, and pay attention. I "never" said anything about Sprints and Cabs - "I said it's NOT an El Camino just like the title of the thread says. . . 8O 8O

9. Refer to the above. Again, learn to read. I never said anything about a chassis - I said, "The revived GTO was cancelled." and it was. Poor sales, no one wanted it. You can sell a pig in a bucket to "someone" out there. That does not mean, the general buying public wants it. Just a small group of fools. Same thing will happen to this POS Ute. 8) But, I suspect you already know that. . . 8O

blah bla blahh blahh blah, whats all the YELLING about?

You don't like it don't buy it, you are worried that it will be named a Pontiac El Camino, so if you are worried about that than it is not a fact yet. If you know that it won't be named El Camino, you can shut up and stop crying about it taking over your blessed nameplate.

And again, you know nothing about the GTO, you are still not reading or comprehending anything, because the GTO was not cancelled for lack of sales, Holden had keep their factory open a year longer than they wanted to on that 8 year old body style, they wanted to start running the new Commodore/G8, and they haven't made a two door version of that chassis yet to this date, and if they do it was speculated that the GTO would return.

In fact many of your arguments about fools buying pigs has been applied to the very vehicle that this site is named after so I would be careful hurling those rocks from your crystal clear house. You truly would cut off your nose to spite your face, wouldn't you. Apparently you don't hear about the car show guys that can't find a place to put their crucks amongst the classic Chevelles, and not amongsth the classic full size trucks. Go over to a Camaro website and claim that the El Camino is a pinnacle of Chevrolet Marketing and success. Hell, even try it at a mopar site. See how far that gets you, about fools buying pigs. Or rather, wait to see how many people cast that stone at you. GM is trying to bring it (some form of car-based truck) back in some fashion. If you are waiting for the return of the blessed lord jesus camino in 1970 trim you might as well forget about it if this doesn't work.

You know some of us can see the similarities between a car based pickup truck, or Cruck if you will, between el caminos, sprints, Rancheros, and Utes. This one (Ute, Pontiac ST) happens to have a CHEVY effin engine, a CHEVY effin transmission, and is faster than any other production elcamino in history that I know about. Some of you guys get so wrapped around a nameplate that was arbitrary in the first place. Some of us have been waiting for GM to put out another El Camino since 1988. Well this is the best chance you will have for probably 20 more years. Who care what they call it. Who cares whether Skinnifisher and Dcar don't like the styling of it yet like the photochopped Camarocamino put out (which by the way, the camaro is being built and designed by Holden too, a foreign Camaro), I don't like the stylings of the 4th gen caminos but Im not about to bash them and their owners for liking the design.

Perhaps this website should break off into 5 little sites so that we don't have the generations fighting over styling opinions..

And skinny, the poll has been done and it is far from unanimous so I suggest you keep your suggestions to squash it, squashed.

And skinny and dcar, everyone can see the veiled insults directed at me, and for that I say thank you.

Hey Skinny - you are welcome 8) 8) 8) . A pig, by any other name - is still a Ute, uh, sorry, pig. As I said, there is always some fool, someplace willing to justify and buy anything. I'd be willing to bet, you could dress up a pig, put it in a Ute, and call it something special, from someplace - and some fool, would put in a bid, as it's got to be cool, both the pig and Ute said they were. . . 8) Thanks for the complement. . .

By the way, I'm done here - I don't think, it's fair, to get into a battle of wits, with a one armed individual. . . :lol: :lol: :lol:

If Pontiac builds a car and calls it an El Camino I will support it but it will not be an Elky .. Pontiac is a dying breed in the car business .. Trust me I own a car dealership but I wish them well .. Just my opinion !!

Not yelling just setting up your button words. This is like fishing and on this topic every body expresses and you just take the bait and make an out your self. No one is picking on anything but nothing is blasting away and quoting every two bit source and proper source to try and show an explanation for nothing. Oh wait a miniute this is about a pig in a poke as the old saying goes. I guess we should let it be known that the site is divided up in Gens already and maybe a 6th with different name and IP address would help the the topic list and posting quality.

Dcar, TY. I am so sorry that you and I have been placed on notice as two how may dislike a certain named vehicle or is that unnamed. I want you to take your 84 and scold it for making those statements and I will do the same to my Elky, for we no not what we say. Then we should sale this as a triva card game about the UTE history. Your last duty is to fill in the bank I left in the second line before someone else does !!!!!!!!!!
Let us guess at the blank no need as it is just a sy not a word??

don't get me wrong.. I love my elky... all elky's... but some here are getting so serious about generation and/or origination of (let's face it guys... a chopped up station wagon) I personally like the proposed one, definately not a Pontiac fan, but the drive train sounds solid and Holden can build some speed. I'll wait for final $$$ reports and a test drive before considering. I like G8 Sport Truck for the name...

Dcar, TY. I am so sorry that you and I have been placed on notice as two how may dislike a certain named vehicle or is that unnamed. I want you to take your 84 and scold it for making those statements and I will do the same to my Elky, for we no not what we say.


Skinny as bad as I hate to admit it, I took your advice. Just before bed, I went out, kicked all 4 tires, opened and "slammed" the tailgate. Then I told her, if she ever did that again - I would let her sit for 3 weeks, with no driving, no contact what-so-ever. Then as a final "attitude adjustment" I bitch slapped the drivers mirror, on my way back inside.

The last maneuver was a little radical I know, but sometimes you have to show a little tough love, to get your point across. Hopefully I will have no more attitude with her now - but, you never know.

Good luck with yours. . . :P :lol: :P :lol:

No offense but can we somehow not include the GTO when talking about the upcoming UTE from the big Indian. I'm really getting tired of seeing poor old archerm3 getting all excited when you DIS his other car.

I know what I believe, and apparently there are others who agree with me. This isn't the place for that debate and it's getting really tiring. I don't care about GTO's on an El Camino site!

Now do owners of Subaru BRATS belong on this forum, no, we have nothing to offer them short of a recommendation to get a real El Camino.

As for the UTE, well you either like it or you hate it. If the new UTE is a Pontiac, Holden, or Chevy who cares. At least GM is building something CLOSE to our shared dream!

Is a GM car still considered American if it started life in another country where GM built a plant. Well apparently the rest of the world thinks so. Even if its built in Canada, Mexico or Australia. Let's face the facts here we're losing factory jobs daily. That's not likely to change with corporations looking for cheap labor. The UAW will likely be a fond memory in 50 years if things continue the way they are going. At least we're getting offerings from a part of the world that "gets" what Americans consider performance.

It could be worse, we could end up with something from SAAB or OPEL! YuK!

We are the buyer the world wants to sell to, at least for now. So if you have a foreign factory under an American banner willing to sell you exactly what you want to buy then be happy. Be secure in the fact that at least the money you give GM goes to an American company working for American goals. Unlike all the Toyota's, Hyundai's, Nissans and the like who send their money offshore, drive down labor wages and only put factories here to quiet free trade rumblings and keep import duties off of them.

I'm just glad that we're getting something other than huge trucks and SUV's to pick from.

:cool:

Extremely well put James.

Now do owners of Subaru BRATS belong on this forum, no, we have nothing to offer them short of a recommendation to get a real El Camino.

Don't you be dissing on my Brat now. I don't want to have to get all archerm3 on you now. :lol: