Oppose the Federal “Cash for Clunkers” Program

Washington lawmakers are drafting a large economic stimulus package to help create jobs and rebuild infrastructure. They want to include a nationwide scrappage program which would give U.S. tax dollars to consumers who turn-in older cars to have them crushed, as a misguided attempt to spur new car sales. The lawmakers need to scrap this idea. http://1-4u-computer-graphics.com/yabb/Templates/Forum/default/angry.gif

The stimulus package is being drafted right now. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) wants to introduce the bill on January 6 and have it approved by Congress by January 20, so that President Obama can sign it into law after he is inaugurated.

Contact House Speaker Nancy Pelosi IMMEDIATELY To Oppose Cash for Clunkers!

Call: 202/225-0100
Click here to send an electronic message: http://speaker.house.gov/contact/

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Talking Points
Oppose the Use of U.S. Taxpayer Dollars for Cash for Clunkers

• I am [calling/writing] to urge lawmakers not to include a “Cash for Clunkers” provision in the economic stimulus bill. Owners who turn in vehicles for crushing would receive a "minimal" payment to purchase a new car. This is a misguided attempt to spur car sales and claim that the country’s air quality or fleet fuel mileage is being improved.

• “Cash for Clunkers” programs threaten enthusiasts nationwide with the loss of valuable parts and parts-cars for repair, restoration, and customization projects. The programs also risk destroying classic, historic and special-interest vehicles, our American heritage.

• Cars turned in for scrappage often barely run, or are rarely-driven second or third vehicles that have a minimal impact on overall fuel economy or emissions.

• “Cash for Clunkers” programs will reduce the availability of affordable transportation and repair parts used by low-income drivers. It will also compete with the Salvation Army, the Purple Heart and other charities that rely on vehicle donations to raise money.

• “Cash for Clunkers” ignores better policy options. If Congress wants to act, support for repair and upgrade is a better choice and a win-win for consumers, dealers, manufacturers and repair shops. Significant emissions and fuel economy improvements can be achieved in older vehicles through relatively simple and inexpensive means: repaired/replaced exhaust systems, tune-ups, etc.

• We hope we can count on you to reject “Cash for Clunkers.” Thank you for your consideration on this very important matter.

Please send a quick note and/or a copy of your message to Speaker Pelosi to:
E-mail: briand@sema.org
Fax: 202/783-6024
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Al you had to say was "NANCY PELOSI", there is one reason why our government is in trouble she is one of many reasons I left Calif. If you rubbed her common sense together the out come would not get you out of the Rain or to school on time. That makes no sense and neither does she, poor Arnie!

Al you had to say was "NANCY PELOSI", there is one reason why our government is in trouble she is one of many reasons I left Calif. If you rubbed her common sense together the out come would not get you out of the Rain or to school on time. That makes no sense and neither does she, poor Arnie!Shes an self-centered,narcissistic,ignoramous who "knows" she knows better than all of her "subjects" .We cant possibly disagree with her BS, can we?

come on guys- don't just bitch on this forem- e mail your thoughts to her higness and appeal to her logic- ( If she has any) - it sure wont hurt.:bat_angel::bat_angel:

GUYS!
Unless you live in the witch's district she is the wrong one to contact! :yell:

Basic politics, your comments can only be taken and acted on by your own representatives.
Contacting any rep but your own is a waste, their staff will just forward your message back to your rep, who will wonder why you did not contact them directly.
Or, more likely with the witch and her coven, I mean staff, your contact will be considered irrelevant and placed in the "round file".

The good news is that most house members are more attentive to constituent concerns than senators, probably because they are never more than two years from having to run for election again.
So contact YOUR representative and tell them to kill this before it even gets into the final bill draft.

If you don't know who your rep is, (shame on you!:buttkick:) they are easy to look up on-line, NRA has an easy to use locator too.

Believe it or not, but if each house member gets just 100 fax's or letters demanding they kill this, it WILL BE dead!
Please send letters or fax, please do not use e-mail.

Why not use e-mail? Because being so easy they get too many to be read, your e-mail will be lost among the thousands of others they get each day.
A fax or letter provides a hard copy, and stands out better, so it gets noticed and read.

PLEASE remain civil, a threatening or foul letter will do more harm than good.
In fact it is not unusual for the "Green" eco-nuts to send damnable letters while posing as a member of our side, just to try to make us look bad.

If your house member does vote correctly, REMEMBER TO THANK THEM!

With just a few letters a year you will become a familiar name to your rep and their staff. If you remain professional, and make good sense, your judgement may become trusted and your letters will have more impact on the next issue to arise.

GUYS!
Unless you live in the witch's district she is the wrong one to contact! :yell:

Basic politics, your comments can only be taken and acted on by your own representatives.
Contacting any rep but your own is a waste, their staff will just forward your message back to your rep, who will wonder why you did not contact them directly.
Or, more likely with the witch and her coven, I mean staff, your contact will be considered irrelevant and placed in the "round file".

The good news is that most house members are more attentive to constituent concerns than senators, probably because they are never more than two years from having to run for election again.
So contact YOUR representative and tell them to kill this before it even gets into the final bill draft.

If you don't know who your rep is, (shame on you!:buttkick:) they are easy to look up on-line, NRA has an easy to use locator too.

Believe it or not, but if each house member gets just 100 fax's or letters demanding they kill this, it WILL BE dead!
Please send letters or fax, please do not use e-mail.

Why not use e-mail? Because being so easy they get too many to be read, your e-mail will be lost among the thousands of others they get each day.
A fax or letter provides a hard copy, and stands out better, so it gets noticed and read.

PLEASE remain civil, a threatening or foul letter will do more harm than good.
In fact it is not unusual for the "Green" eco-nuts to send damnable letters while posing as a member of our side, just to try to make us look bad.

If your house member does vote correctly, REMEMBER TO THANK THEM!

With just a few letters a year you will become a familiar name to your rep and their staff. If you remain professional, and make good sense, your judgement may become trusted and your letters will have more impact on the next issue to arise.
Thanks 4 pointing that out! I just brought the info as I got it....emailed from Sema Action Network:beer:

Something I learned from legislative activists years ago is that a handwritten letter has more impact than a typewritten/electronically generated one. Get the address of your Congressional representative AND your Senators (both of them!), and start writing!

And, as pointed out, it's easier to catch flies with honey than vinegar, so put all the "left-leaning liberal" vitriol in check and, as much as I want to paraphrase the late Charlton Heston's "from my cold, dead hands," don't come off sounding like a "disgruntled, gun-hugging/God-fearing hick." Point out the facts politely, be direct and to the point.

Would it do any good, to collectively put together an email from the Club, or should it be done individually?

Just checking on ideas.

Since many of you like to paint anyone who has a more "progressive" point of view with a wide brush, here's a shock...:shock:

I'm completely with you guys on this. I'm sick of all these attempts at quick fixes at the expense of the little guy. For one thing old cars keep places like autozone and o'reilly in business. Collector cars keep the small rod shop in business and the aftermarket parts houses afloat. Even the big 3 make a few bucks when we buy that crate motor or aftermarket part only available over the dealer parts counter. I don't call keeping the scrap yards busy crushing our rides to ship to China for scrap metal a recovery plan. I'd rather create jobs for skilled technicians and factories that make parts for our rides in the good ol' USA!

Hopefully my representatives will do something this time. They're pretty useless out here in AZ. Very dismissive and answerable to nobody unless it's election time then you better have a fat wallet.

As for Pelosi, I don't know who the heck she represents because it certainly isn't anyone on either side of the aisle from what I've seen. It makes me want to throw my shoe at her!:buttkick:

Would it do any good, to collectively put together an email from the Club, or should it be done individually?

Just checking on ideas.

I would say club letters to the bill author may be appropriate, but individual letters to members own reps are probably more effective.

One way to make legitimate contact with a rep. outside your own district is to address your letter to the head of the appropriate committee, in that capacity.
I.E., Congressman ??????, Chairman of the House Transportation Committee, Chairman of the House banking Committee, etc.
This is probably the best tactic for a club or lobbyist letter

Many legiscritters tend to be dismissive of letters from lobbying organizations or clubs, unless they have a million members or more.
I'm not sure how many we have, but the more we have the more likely they are to take note of our objection.
Cynical I know, but sadly, accurate.

No degree in Poly-Sci, but decades of practical experience! :wink1:

As a member of SANS which is the political arm of SEMA I also highly encourage you to contact your representatives and oppose this bill for many of the reasons listed above. Perhaps you know Pelosi better than I but she does deserve credit for standing up to Pres. Bush that is largely responsible for many of the problems the new administration ( including this proposed bill ) , is trying to fix . With that said , please contact SEMA or your Representative .

I just sent my two bits to Nancy.

[QUOTE but she does deserve credit for standing up to Pres. Bush ( worst president Ever ) .[/QUOTE]

I took three deep breaths before responding, I am restraining my first urge!
PLEASE do not force this thread to go off on a tangent, do not force me to defend Pres. Bush, or to bring up the true "Worst President(s) Ever".

In order to remain effective it is NECESSARY to keep our focus narrow and on target! :yell:

The target here is to stop what is likely a first step toward the final goal of outlawing the driving of any car over a certain age, or which does not have certain equipment, OBD IV and air-bags for example!

Before you dismiss that idea as outrageous, you might want to remember that such legislation has already been proposed at the state level, and that certain eco-nut's and "Green" organizations have publicly pushed it as an agenda item.

"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it".

I currently only have one State Senator, the other guy got a promotion. If anyone is interested in the vacant position, contact Governor Rod Blagojevich (IL) for further instructions...please list total assets available on your resume and do not use my name as a referance in any phone conversations with his Honor (the Big) Rod Blah Blah Blagojevich. I would contact my other State Senator, but I already know what Sen Big Dick Durbin's stance is on this...guess I'm screwed...again! PS I think Nancy Pelosi is very domineering...wonder what she'd look like dressed in leather...she's HOT!:inlove:

That's OK, so far it's a HOUSE bill, so contact your congressman!

If we kill it before it is ever introduced in the senate it can never be passed.

Technically and according to our constitution, in order to become law a bill has to pass in BOTH houses with identical language.
The reality falls short of that requirement, but it's still true that the earlier we kill this :evil2: eco-nut socialist garbage the better!

As Lenny Carey states in a email below,contact SEMA about the Cash for Clunkers program. If you'll pull up SEMA on the internet,you'll find the SEMA Action Network,or SANS. Its Free to join and they need our help in fighting the government from taking our hobby/love affair that we have with cars away from us.

Great news !! I received an email a couple of days ago from SANS that both houses have dropped the Clunkers For Cash Bill . Other buyer incentives will be proposed in it`s place . Maximum , I tried to PM you several times with the good news but your PM box is full and not receiving messages . Thank you so much for posting the forum and to all of you others that contacted SANS or your representative in Washington . :nanawrench:

the bill has ben changed, not that it wont afect the hoby but is now geared more tord gas guzilers suv & sports cars, SEMA has a letter out about this will try to find it

Wait, Now they want to crush SUV's and Corvettes?

How bout they don't crush anything and start giving incentives to employers with
active work from home programs that keep all the cars off the roads thus saving oil and
cleaning up the air. They're so damned quck to crush cars. What so China needs more
metal! That's were most of our metal scrap goes anyway at least until recently. I've heard theres
cargo ships filled with scrap metal from the U.S. that are sitting in harbors right now because nobody
wants it. So what are they going to do with it. Who benefits from this???

Again, they're always looking for the quick fix. What exactly are these yo-yo's ( of either party ) getting
paid for!

:nanawrench:

Great news !! I received an email a couple of days ago from SANS that both houses have dropped the Clunkers For Cash Bill . Other buyer incentives will be proposed in it`s place . Maximum , I tried to PM you several times with the good news but your PM box is full and not receiving messages . Thank you so much for posting the forum and to all of you others that contacted SANS or your representative in Washington . :nanawrench:Yeah,I got that!
THANKS TO YOU U.S. CONGRESS REJECTS
“CASH FOR CLUNKERS” PROGRAM
In recent weeks, thousands of SEMA members and SEMA Action Network (SAN) enthusiasts responded to a call for action urging lawmakers to reject a Cash for Clunkers program as part of the economic stimulus being drafted in Congress. Your efforts were successful. Both the House and Senate versions of the bill are “clunker-free.” Congratulations!
Two proposals were put forth and then withdrawn during the Congressional debate. The first was a $8 billion program targeting SUVs and pickup trucks of any year that make less than 18 mpg such as Chevy Silverados, Dodge Rams, Ford F-Series and Jeep Wranglers. The second would have provided $16 billion worth of cash vouchers to individuals making less than $50,000 a year ($75,000 for families) who allowed their turned-in cars to be destroyed. A Cash for Clunker proposal may reemerge later this year. SEMA will remain vigilant in educating legislators on the need to oppose programs that do not spur car sales, reduce emissions or raise fuel economy.
The Senate economic stimulus bill includes a SEMA-supported amendment allowing taxpayers to claim a tax deduction for car-loan interest payments and excise taxes when they buy a new car in 2009. If enacted in the final stimulus bill, the provision should provide a healthy boost to auto sales.
Members of Congress recognize that our industry played an important role in scrapping a federal Cash for Clunkers program. SEMA thanks all member companies and SAN enthusiasts who donated their time and effort to contact legislators. Your voice helps protect our industry and hobby.

I dumped a bunch of PMs today,but apparently the capacity has been changed,& it wasnt enough...so I just deleted 100 more!

I'd refer to myself as a fairly big liberal, but would agree with most of ya'll on Pelosi. Most of the people on the left don't like her very much and would love for someone else to be in charge of the House. She's a good example of the old Democrats that want to try and **** over the Republicans as much as possible and don't really care about much else. I have no time for her petty nonsense and hope someone else will take her position as soon as possible.

Great news !! I received an email a couple of days ago from SANS that both houses have dropped the Clunkers For Cash Bill . Other buyer incentives will be proposed in it`s place . Maximum , I tried to PM you several times with the good news but your PM box is full and not receiving messages . Thank you so much for posting the forum and to all of you others that contacted SANS or your representative in Washington . :nanawrench:
Texas started a program, well I think it's state-wide, a few years ago that seems like a bit of a better take on this one. From what I remember, if your car continuously fails emmissions or you're under a certain income level, then you can turn the car in and get a $3000 credit towards a 'newer' car that meets some emmissions standards. This plans is directed more at emmissions issues, so I think it's a reasonable idea.

edit, this is it: http://elcaminocentral.com/showthread.php?t=22799

I'd love to see all the cars off the road that aren't being maintaned and are a menace to others. I'm talking more about brakes being non-existent, body panels hanging off, lights not working, and stuff like that. All those out there that aren't keeping their classics in good shape are going to just end up ruining it for everyone else that enjoy restoring and maintaining older vehicles.

Yeah,here in Washington State,they are trying to bypass whatever Federal bill failed & are trying to pass their own.Bunch of ignoramouses! Got this in an email from SEMA today->
Summary of the SEMA Street Rod/Custom Vehicle Bill


Defines a street rod as an altered vehicle manufactured before 1949 and a custom vehicle as an altered vehicle manufactured after 1948.
Provides specific registration classes and license plates for street rods and custom vehicles.
Provides that replica vehicles and kit cars will be assigned the same model-year designations as the production vehicles they most closely resemble and allows the use of non-original materials.
Exempts street rods and custom vehicles from periodic vehicle inspections and emissions inspections.
Provides that vehicles titled and registered as street rods and custom vehicles may only be used for occasional transportation, exhibitions, club activities, parades, tours, etc. and not for general daily transportation.
Exempts street rods and custom vehicles from a range of standard equipment requirements.
Allows the use of blue-dot taillights on street rods and custom vehicles.

To download a copy of the bill, visit www.semasan.com (http://echo.bluehornet.com/ct/2844406:1488394743:m:1:71383348:229AB2999E859F9537 86016E1A15EAB3).

That is far too practical to pass any legislature. I'd love to be able to not have to register and inspect my project cars to keep them legal.

Yeah,here in Washington State,they are trying to bypass whatever Federal bill failed & are trying to pass their own.Bunch of ignoramouses! Got this in an email from SEMA today->
Summary of the SEMA Street Rod/Custom Vehicle Bill


Defines a street rod as an altered vehicle manufactured before 1949 and a custom vehicle as an altered vehicle manufactured after 1948.
Provides specific registration classes and license plates for street rods and custom vehicles.
Provides that replica vehicles and kit cars will be assigned the same model-year designations as the production vehicles they most closely resemble and allows the use of non-original materials.
Exempts street rods and custom vehicles from periodic vehicle inspections and emissions inspections.
Provides that vehicles titled and registered as street rods and custom vehicles may only be used for occasional transportation, exhibitions, club activities, parades, tours, etc. and not for general daily transportation.
Exempts street rods and custom vehicles from a range of standard equipment requirements.
Allows the use of blue-dot taillights on street rods and custom vehicles.

To download a copy of the bill, visit www.semasan.com (http://echo.bluehornet.com/ct/2844406:1488394743:m:1:71383348:229AB2999E859F9537 86016E1A15EAB3).

They tried the same thing, cash for guns. Most of the guns were bits and pieces and wouldn't fire. They paid more than what some of the guns cost new. I closed my gun repair shop and plan to sell all of my scrap guns the next time they have cash for guns.. Should be able to refit my Caballero and go on a good vacation with the money.:poke:

I think it's another ill attempt to get automakers out of trouble. Ms Pelosi is a piece of work alright. Time would be better spent on things that work. GM is on the fence right now in regard to bankruptcy. Maybe that is what motivated this scheme ??
I personally hope GM survives. Lots of folks will hurt if they go belly-up.

Get as many old cars off the road as possible to recycle and send to China. The new cars are very bubble gum to me. I like older cars. Easier work on, take more damage and have better lines than most new cars. Granted I have a new Cobalt for a commuter. LOL

:poke:Welcome to the forum. You do realize this thread is 3 yrs old, right?:poke:

Gotta lotta words for her but highness AIN'T one of them:texas:

I know it is now! LOL. I just had to make a comment that program was junk no pun intended.