Like many places around the US now, my town is overrun by imports. Cars with stickers for products they dont even have, and coffee cans with blinking lights for their exhaust tips. Then you have the american muscles like my 1978 el camino :-D . Without further delay, this is how last weekends story goes.

I went to a party at my friends house when i realized that i left some things at my house that i really needed. On my way there (via: highway) there was this van that was attempting to go fast so i prooved my point by passing him at about 90mph. Then, on my way back there was an Acura of some sort that pulls in front of me. So, in order to prove my point again, i increase to about 90mph and pass him. Further down the highway (going regular speed now), the black Acura and a Honda come up and start racing. I decide to teach them both a lesson in what turned out to be a 130 mph race with me being the winner in my 78 elky. Although it was exremely fun to show up a few import drivers, it came at a price. Some of the trim around my windshield ripped off when i was doing it.

I guess the point of this story was that it was awesome... i hate ricers... and old cars tend to fall apart when going fast.

$20 for gas on the way there and back.
$157.90 for the trim that ripped off.
Beating the pants off of imports....
PRICELESS...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I agree 100% with that, imports and there drivers are so cocky it is so funny when they think they can ever beat an old American muscle car! I am an owner of a 78 Malibu very similar to your car rock on man!

Sounds like a fun night! None of my current vehicles will go that fast :-( My Elky will probably only do about 100 if I pushed it, 3.73 and 3-spd won't allow much more speed! But it gets there in a hurry 8) :mrgreen:

What type of speedometer do you have? My '81 only goes to 85mph - I've been seriously considering buying a 120mph (they seem to pop up on e-bay pretty regularly) but figure I'll wait until I can get a factory tach as well to replace the famed Non-Functioning Quartz Clock...

I have the 120 mph speedometer from lauren engineering. I am guessing about 130 because once it topped out the camino was still accelerating. Sure, imports may weigh less but you can always make up the weight in raw power :evil: . I guess the el was just a little too fast and too furious for the imports. EDIT: Forgot to let you know that my speedometer is about 5mph off (due to the drop in the front, bigger tires, etc.) so maxing at 120 would really be 125...

Back in my younger days I did a lot of street racing but I can't ever remember endangering some poor bystanders life even though I certainly endangered mine. It never fails that on the freeway I see two or more "rice rockets" racing at high speeds, weaving in out of traffic and putting all of us in danger. We have had a lot of serious accidents, just last week 4 people were killed including one innocent bystander in a highspeed highway race. Many people are calling for new laws including confiscation of vehicles and even making it illegal to modify your car. Thank goodness that the state legislators are using common sense and insisting that enforcing the laws is the best response. I can never understand why people think that making tougher laws will work. The law is very tough on murder and there are still 1000's of murders every year.
I don't know why the police can't crack down on highway racing, I see it so frequently why can't the cops?

Because usually cops are searching for something to get people in trouble for instead of upholding the peace. And also, it was like 2:00 am and there was only one car on the road that i had passed before i even raced these ricer punks. Plus, not making it allowed to modify your car is stupid because basically any car nowadays can go well over the speed limit. I dont plan on waving through traffic, the el camino is not meant for supreme handling.

PS... i hate imports way to much to not race them 8)

supergerbel, until recently I was a County Deputy Sheriff and was for many years, I assure you I never had to "searching for something to get people in trouble for instead of upholding the peace"

I enjoy a fast car and a hot rod as much as anyone, I own a Corvette, a Malibu and an El Camino. I might add that they are probably a lot faster than yours.

What I do not enjoy, and I have had to do too many times is clean up the mess people make. Their "mistakes" as the one you are bragging about kill innocent people. I have put mothers and children in body bags because of acts of stupidity such as this. I assure you it is an extremely hard thing to go and tell a mother her child will not be coming home, or a husband that his little girl and wife will not be coming home because of just such an act of stupidity.

You wanna race, you hate ricers, go to a track and have an enjoyable day. You race on the street and kill someone, maybe God will forgive you but I assure you no one else will. You won't even be able to forgive yourself, if you can live with it.

I've seen things and picked up body parts that would make you puke, It ain't worth it.

I worked a DUI accident a few years ago in which a family of three was killed by a drunk driver, It wasn't pretty. I answered a call two years later that was a suicide. Seems the Drunk couldn't live with it or drink it off his mind any longer. I put him in a bag too.

Sorry guys, I worked too many of these. Jim

Amen brother.

FYI learn your imports cause there are going to be some that will be faster than you. I don't like imports as much as the next guy, but if u see a turbo dsm, or well pretty much turbo anything, watch yourself.

Yep i think you should keep the racing on the track. Where you have proper saftey equipment. You can still race the ricers there if you like.

Just wanted to add one thing here(although some have already said a mouthfull). These kids are a little differant than the way were are or were.
I've seen these guys drive on shoulders,drive 110 through SERIOUSLY HEAVY traffic,blow 100 through toll booths,ect. Anything to "win". I remember being young and fearless,but the unpublished rules of street racing/highway chasing have seriously changed over the last few years. I'm not gonna lie and tell you I've never done it. When I was in HS and later,I got myself into plenty of street running. Nowadays,I see this stuff blast past me and say "Jesus I would have never done that!".

To bad my buddy isn't on this board cause he's got a good story. He has a GN. Every Tom,Dick,& Harry wants a piece of him when he drives it. Now and then he gives in to the temptation. On night while out,he got into it with a ricer. He blew the his doors off and then procceded on thinking the encounter was done and over with. About 10 minutes later,the ricer comes back up on him and swerves into his lane causing him to swerve onto the shoulder where he hit the curb and destroyed his right front suspension. $1000 later and he's learned his lesson about fooling with these retards.

I think the mentality is a little differant than it was even just a few years ago. With F&F movies and NFS video games that these kids are watching,playing,and being influenced by,they have become disconnected with the realism of what can happen. No one gets hurt in the ricer movies....if you flip your car 10 times in the video game,it will just restart the game. I guess what I'm trying to say is don't bother with these guys,it's not worth your time to show them up even if you can. They will do stuff to try and "win" and if they lose,try and pay you back without realizing what could happen.

sweet god you pissed off a cop :x. don't do that, trust me i live with one.
although.......i doubt anyone here has NOT raced on the street, let alone the highway. just don't be stupid about it. i wouldn't do so much as speed unless no one is around. my dad has told me a fair share of stories about accidents he handled....they will make you think twice......

Yes we were all young and foolish once. ColdBastard is right, it isn't worth racing a rice rocket (or wannabe speed racer) just to prove that your faster. On occasion some guy with a tailpipe bigger than a sewer pipe wants to take me on in my Elky or my Corvette but I have never had anyone challenge me when I'm in my big block blown '55 Chevy. The secret her is to intimidate them and with this in mine I have installed a nitrous kit on my Elky. I'll give them a short purge blast and I think that they will quickly forget about racing me.

We just had a street race crash here localy last night. It's an EXTREME rearity around here, but it can happen anytime, anywhere :-(
Story: http://www.wwmt.com/engine.pl?station=wwmt&id=6862&template=breakout_local.html

On a lighter note. I tried a stoplight launch against a new Cobra stang when I first got my Elky (before any mods were done). When we took off, I had to look at my tach to make sure I actually had it floored 8O He literally left me like I was standing still :oops: :lol:

FYI learn your imports cause there are going to be some that will be faster than you. I don't like imports as much as the next guy, but if u see a turbo dsm, or well pretty much turbo anything, watch yourself.

As long as they're not running on "gasareen"(potent mixture of gasoline, fishheads, and rice)there's just not mich to them.

But seriously, street racing is STUPID!!! PERIOD.

8O wow, angry cop. thats not good. here in south texas we have long unihabbitted roads. so there are no "innocent bystanders" and if you dont drive like an idiot, i dont see a problem with going a little above the speed limit. i mostly race with friends, one has a neon. :P hehe.... he topped out at like 90, then i just blew past him.

Yup, street racing one of these idiots make you one of them. I get ricers all the time wanting to race me in my green elky. You can humiliate them moreso by just laughing hysterically at them instead of blowing them away.

Thank you everyone for making my post into a huge flame towards me. Im sure every cop is exactly like you in the entire united states (definitely NOT sarcasm......... ....... .....). So once you call me an idiot and tell me i was wrong and add in that your car is faster than mine for some reason, i will learn my lesson. Oh wait, thats stupid. I wasnt drunk driving so i dont know what that has to do with anything..... i know its dangerous and i dont see how racing on the road with nobody on it is different from racing on a track with nobody on it.... except for the fact that its illegal... people can still go off the track and get killed at a race track, its not bumper bowling. You dont have to publicly talk crap about me, you can private message me, thanks (or no thanks rather).

sweet god you pissed off a cop . don't do that, trust me i live with one.

No one is pissed off, I just don't like to see the mentality perpetuated that it is OK to do these things with the idea that no one will ever get hurt.

I'm not mad at you, I'm just trying to tell you the consequences of doing this without you finding out the hard way. The problem is that somebody usually doesn't go home.

I was never the kind of Cop that picked on people or had it in for someone that squeaked a tire. But to run wide open on public roads playing Too Fast, Too Furious, Too Stupid to know better is a different story. The thing that was always said at these types of accident scenes was "I didn't know" or "I didn't think anyone would get hurt" or "I didn't think anyone would get killed."

You also have to remember that if it was your Mother or loved one killed, I'm sure you would not have any tolerance for someone who did somethig like this to them.

For DUI's and high point drivers we used to have a drivers training film of accident scenes that were the result of DUI's and accident scenes that were from someone being stupid. They were very explicit and graphic. They were stopped from use not because they didn't work, but because they made people uncomfortable and the complaints to some politician's caused them to be removed form the course.

I'm for kids having cool cars and competitive driving teaches them how to handle a vehicle better in an adverse situation. But it needs to be done on a track or controlled area and not on the street.

I'd hate to see any of you injured/killed or put in jail for vehicular homicide with your life ruined.

Jim

Thank you everyone for making my post into a huge flame towards me. Im sure every cop is exactly like you in the entire united states (definitely NOT sarcasm......... ....... .....). So once you call me an idiot and tell me i was wrong and add in that your car is faster than mine for some reason, i will learn my lesson. Oh wait, thats stupid. I wasnt drunk driving so i dont know what that has to do with anything..... i know its dangerous and i dont see how racing on the road with nobody on it is different from racing on a track with nobody on it.... except for the fact that its illegal... people can still go off the track and get killed at a race track, its not bumper bowling. You dont have to publicly talk crap about me, you can private message me, thanks (or no thanks rather).

Me thinks you may be taking everyone's responses the wrong way...I guess I should have said, "racing one of these idiots makes ME one of them." I certainly didn't mean for you, or, anyone to think I was personally calling you an idiot. If what I said offended you, my appology to you here publically.

What I think is being offered here is experience. Yes, I was young once too, and made lots of mistakes, crashed a lot of cars, and hurt only myself and not other people, (I had a bad habit of hitting parked cars and inanimate objects,) and I thank God daily for that. I have seen some pretty nasty outcomes from wreckless behavior, and have lost a lot of friends from same.

When I was younger, the only track was a few hours away, but there was an airfield nearby, and the old guy who owned it used to light up the runway on Sat nights and let us drag down the tarmac.

And, I too, enjoy finding a lonely strip of Texas flatland road where you can see for miles, and nailing it on occasion.

I don't find it necessary to take some punk ricer with fart pipes challenge to race seriously anyway. I have nothing to prove, and like I said, a good laugh humiliates them worse than stomping them. These guys obviously have no respect for cars, let alone safety, yours or their own.

So, be careful who and where you race. I think everyone here would like to see you grow to be an old experienced fart too.

BTW, my son is a cop, and enjoys being of service to his community.
Granted, there are a few cops who cruise around picking on people, but there are more who really care about keeping their communities safe.
A few bad apples don't spoil the whole bunch. Just like a few ricer punks doesn't mean everyone who drives a Honda is an idiot.

I think the mentality is a little differant than it was even just a few years ago. With F&F movies and NFS video games that these kids are watching,playing,and being influenced by,they have become disconnected with the realism of what can happen. No one gets hurt in the ricer movies....if you flip your car 10 times in the video game,it will just restart the game. I guess what I'm trying to say is don't bother with these guys,it's not worth your time to show them up even if you can. They will do stuff to try and "win" and if they lose,try and pay you back without realizing what could happen. Now I have something to say about this topic. As I am still of a young age, 22 I have grown up on these games and movies, I also have street raced and raced at the track. My point is that its not tv, movies or video games but the ppl involved in these acts. I assure you that when I did "street race" it was 3am on a lonely straight stretch of interstate and I was, and am fully aware of the risks involed in such acts. Its not like I go a million miles an hour just to get somewhere. Also in response to your buddies story, that loser punk had no right to do what he did..... :evil: I have won races and lost them, but I dont get pissed off and try to wreck someones car just cause its faster then mine, instead I turn my frustrations back into my ride to make it faster and handle better. Just my $0.02

Now I have something to say about this topic. As I am still of a young age, 22 I have grown up on these games and movies, I also have street raced and raced at the track. My point is that its not tv, movies or video games but the ppl involved in these acts. I assure you that when I did "street race" it was 3am on a lonely straight stretch of interstate and I was, and am fully aware of the risks involed in such acts. Its not like I go a million miles an hour just to get somewhere. Also in response to your buddies story, that loser punk had no right to do what he did..... I have won races and lost them, but I dont get pissed off and try to wreck someones car just cause its faster then mine, instead I turn my frustrations back into my ride to make it faster and handle better. Just my $0.02
Sorry I'm not trying to group ALL young guys together. Hell I'm in my early 30's and HS and my 20's isn't a distant memory. If you reread my post,the point I was trying to make is that the mentality of the RICERS are a bit differant than that of your normal car guy. Heck I'm not even saying don't street race(I'm not your parents or the law and not a saint by any means). What I'm trying to warn you about is THESE TYPE OF PEOPLE.

I'll tell you another story. Just last year I was on my way up to Mass. to visit my wife's family. We were on CT15. A 4 lane highway(2 lanes east,2 lanes west)seperated by a divider with no shoulder. I was moving along minding my own buisness when I started to notice something. I was in the fast lane and the guy in front of me started slowing down(a Civic). I look behind me and I got another guy right up my a$$. My wife looks over to the right and there's another Civic with some dude yelling out the window for us to go at it with him. We were effectivly trapped and I didn't have my cell phone to call the cops. Did they want to rob me or steal my car or just race me? I didn't know and I felt our lives were in serious jepardy. The Civic to our right dropped back a few paces and left me a hole which I took full advantage of. I pulled out and around and cranked it up to 130(I was in my Z) with them giving chase. When I got far enough away I jumped off at the closest exit and waited awhile for them to disappear.

The whole point of my post being,these kids have no regard for you,your car,and other people. Would you or your buddies trap someone to race them? Would you swerve into someone if you lost a street race? Would you drive 100+ through heavy rush hour traffic? Would you drive up on shoulders and through toll booths to "win" a street race? I'd gather your probably saying no to all of the above. Where as these kids would probably say yes as I've witnessed,heard about,and experianced first hand this behavior from them. And the funny thing is,it's only the ricer guys I've seen this with. I've never had or seen a Ford guy or Mopar guy or another Chevy guy running like that. And that's all I'm saying,watch yourself with these people,they are not like you and I.

I've never had or seen a Ford guy or Mopar guy or another Chevy guy running like that.

because they are actually driving REAL cars, with WHOLE engines, and cant put $148 down and buy a new one. i hate this "ricer" fad with a passion. i think that those little japanesse shoe boxes with wheels are the absolute peak of enginering stupidity. ARRRG!!!!!! :evil: now im all worked up... i need some chocolate milk.

I am only 17 and I here about kids doing this at school and drives me crazy. I now this one kid that drives 100+ to shool on roads that are listed at 45. I will admit that I drive over the speed limit, But useally it no more the 10 over and almost always on the Highway. I just wish there was more areas to race off the street. I think this would prevent It more then stricter laws

quotes, quotes everywere.............................. :eh:

I like fast cars and racing as much as the next guy. However, I live in Northern Virginia and have to deal with hundreds of piss poor drivers blasting their vehicles around every day in a hurry to get nowhere fast. The last thing I want to see in my rearview when I've got my family in the car with me is a pair of vehicles in a race gaining fast at 90+ MPH.

There are too many roadside crosses in this area now, please don't add to the total.

Guys I'm sorry I feel so strongly about not driving the way people do these days.

Supergerbal, I'm sorry you feel that you were doing right and that we flamed you for no reason. But, I have held children in my arms and watched them die because of acts just like the ones described in this thread. Accidents happen no matter how lonely a stretch or how late at night. Actions that will be criminally prosecuted by the laws of your state.

Sure, 20 mph or so over on a good stretch of road isn't to bad, but when you round that curve and you are in someones lane racing and you hit them head on because you were playing fast and furious what will you have to say to them. That is if you get a chance too.

I'll get off my box and let this thread go. I see I may as well be talking to a wall as to ask you to understand. It seems that most only understand after it's too late.

I hope it's not To Fast, To Furious or Too Late for someone you meet. J

I think that all of us on this forum are smart enough to know the difference between driving exuberantly and being stupid. Let's be truthful, all of us modify our Elkys because we want to be faster than the next guy. On the occasions that we use that power that we worked so hard and paid so much to get we should be prudent. A powerful good handling Elky is much safer than an underpowered wallowing one. It's the guy behind the wheel that makes the most difference. I enjoy my Elky going fast, slow and even parked.

Supergerbel, you may be able to drive very fast in Virginia, but if you go south far enough (N.C.), you had better slow down. The state troopers in that state are TOUGH! Also, there seems to be one behind every object along the highways.

Supergerbel, you may be able to drive very fast in Virginia, but if you go south far enough (N.C.), you had better slow down. The state troopers in that state are TOUGH! Also, there seems to be one behind every object along the highways.This is very true as I live in N.C. These HP's are getting pretty sneaky but for the most part they are out there in the areas where its easy for them to make turns. Lets say, hypothetically, I was goining 130mph down a highway in N.C. at 2am and there are the dividers and the exits are 2-3 miles apart, for some reason I haven't seen them there yet. motorbreth: please dont assume that all cars from japan are crap, i have a "***" 4cyl turbo motor in my s-10 and with only 225hp it runs a 14.5 in the 1/4 mile. I know plenty of "***" fours that run in the LOW 12s, and these are street cars. A v8 can do that sure but try that with half a v8 and your sol. *** does not =crap, case in point Nissan Skyline R34. Thank you and point proven. Don't hate, understand. This "ricer" thing is not about the cars( in a purist form), its just a way for these kids to blow money on stickers that add 15hp and looks, most of them cant drive and dont know anything about their cars.

I have to say I think street racing is foolish period. American or import it doesn't matter. I usually stay away from this kind of thread because it's like politics, people get emotional about it. Like others have said, I did some stupid things when I was young & thank GOD I got through it in one piece. I even lost my licence once for racing, trust me it was not worth it. What I don't like is guys that think their car is the baddest thing on the road & that goes for all makes & models. I DO like & drive Nissans also because of reliablity & good gas mileage but never for racing . I am a Chevy first - Nissan second man. Both have served me well. I'm done.

I also agree with you guys. I hate ricers more than anything. However I try not race much any more. Last time I raced against a ricer, we both got pulled over going 90mph+, and we were just getting started. But, I got luckiy because they got her speed and not mine so I got a 90 dollar icket compared to her 300 dollar ticket.

You sure opened a can of worms.

You sure opend a can of worms.

Big fat juicy ones

Texas has new laws on the books about street racing, with some heavy fines to go with it. My 66 with a 283 and Muncie M-21 with 3.08 gears will and has burried the 120 mph speedo on rare occassions. Usually when there is an open road and no other cars. I like many of you have done the street racing thing years ago.... it's a thing of my past now. It belongs at the strip and not on the street. The ricers here in Marble Falls don't bother me, most of them know me and what my El Camino can do. It only took one run to scare them off. Nice new Eclipse came up one afternoon on a rolling start (35mph) with the exhaust tips belching, female driver who thought she had a hot car, probably paid for by daddy.
I had a buddy with me, in 4th gear, dropped it to 2nd and let it rip. Front lifted a bit and rocketed away from the ricer. I look in the rear view and the ricer does a left turn and disappeared down a side street never to be seen again. The local parts stores here, except one, cater to the ricer crowd now. :evil: Nowadays I just cruise around doing the speed limit and waving/laughing when I see them pulled over getting those tickets to the policemans ball :-D

I think everyone here has made their point... "ricers" as we so affectionately call them are not exactly our favorite cars... however

I think the mentality is a little differant than it was even just a few years ago. With F&F movies and NFS video games that these kids are watching,playing,and being influenced by,they have become disconnected with the realism of what can happen. No one gets hurt in the ricer movies....if you flip your car 10 times in the video game,it will just restart the game. I guess what I'm trying to say is don't bother with these guys,it's not worth your time to show them up even if you can. They will do stuff to try and "win" and if they lose,try and pay you back without realizing what could happen.

Coldbastard, I see where you are coming from with this, but I too play those games (being what some of you may consider a "kid") and I've heard all of the stories about families blaming bad behavior on otherwise harmless forms of entertainment. The fact of the matter is that anything a child is subjected too may or may not have an effect on their psychological mindset. In the earlier 1900's cowboys and indians were a popular child's game due partially to the fact that it was a common place television show during that time, and I admit this. But, we cannot base the behavior of "ricers" on this sole basis. Everything, from evironment to video games, has an effect on your aquired traits and personality/behavior. It would be appreciated if you didnt use video games as a foundation for your argument just becuase they're there. Though they do make a good scapegoat, children play football games and dont run around tackling people (to a certain extent :P ) I'm in NO WAY ATTACKING YOU!!!.. and i eagerly await your rebuttle

WROR

cold does have a point though... an example of this... Ever since the movie 8 Mile came out, i couldnt find one person who favors rap who didnt wear a du-rag and freestyle rap battle everyone. I detest these stupid movies and video games where putting stickers on your car and getting reputation points is the basis for.
P.S.
Once the import era started to come into sight, these movies and stuff were pretty much super riceaganda. And not until this era came about have i seen a bunch of stupid japanese cars weaving in and out of traffic with their 120 hp stock honda 4 cylinders. They already have half the package (if you understand what im saying), why not half the engine?

i eagerly await your rebuttle
I thought this topic was dead and buried,but sure I'll dig up the body again. First read my responce on page 2. I'm not one of these ultra conservitive types whos gonna blame everything on video games. I have quite a collection of them myself as my wife will tell you :lol: Here's my point of those statements.

Do you think kids are writing letters to each other telling them to put wings on thier Civic? Probably not. It's a basic human need to feel accepted and to fit in with what is what they feel is the norm. If they think that driving Civics with wings is normal and cool,then they will do that. Let me use a basic example....

Let say all the media(t.v.,radio,movies)protrays men wearing red hats are cool. There are commercials with guys wearing red hats. There is movies with men wearing red hats. There is TV shows with men wearing red hats. In all of these the men are percieved to be accepted and cool. They fit in. In all of these formats,the men get women while wearing thier red hat. In all these,the men have friends. In video games,the hero wears a red hat and is invincible. Now guess what everyone wants that views this media? A red hat. Do you see where I'm going with this.

If people are seeing ricers in the movies and t.v. driving like pros,getting the girls,being cool,fitting in AND BEING ACCEPTED then that is what those people will try and emulate. It's all a matter of acceptance into thier circles of human culture. You must remember that no matter how far we try and distance and culturize ourselves,we are all still animals. All of these behaviors can be found in the animal kingdom. Why do two ricers race down the highway at breakneck speed? That is what has been deemed as a way to show dominance among thier herd. The males bucking heads with each other like antelopes or pi$$ing on trees to mark thier territory like lions to show that they are the Alpha male. Why do you think so few woman drag race or street race? Cause thier minds hasn't been preprogrammed through years of evolution to do that...to become the Alpha.

So CB where do video games fit into this? Video games offer an altered sence of reality. Of cource this has become more so over the last few years with the advances of the medium. You may not realize it but when you are playing,your subconcious mind becomes that character your playing with. You believe whatever skill you are mastering in the game will transcend into the real world. Of course in some situations it does, hence the reason they use this form of technology for police training and flight simulation. However,let's say you master shooting games. Now you go to a shooting range where you fully believe in your head that you can handle a gun and be a master shot even if you've never picked up a gun because of your experiances with the game. This would be true for most all games including racing games. Even more so in racing games as they never show you a driver(the glass is always tinted,or they show you hands on a wheel,or a helmet),which your subconcious mind automaticly projects yourself into that role of driver as it doesn't have to replace a face and body.

I've even experiance the affects of this first hand last year. Aside from shooting and driving games,I love flying games. I have several of them that I play and I even bought myself a control stick. My wife knew I loved the flying games so for my birthday she signed me up for a two hour flight instruction in a real plane. We got in the plane and after some instruction,the guy let me take off and fly unaided for 2 hours. He even let me land. No problems. The instructer was a little baffled at first that I knew what all the instruments did,knew the way to take off and land,ect. He asked "have you flown before" which I replied that I never have but I have played many hours of flight simulation. He was impressed and relayed to me that he uses it too.

With the driving games,if you flip a car,you don't see a body flying out the window. You hit a guard rail,the car is usually undamaged. You race against other faceless drivers,no one gets hurt. Left button slides you here,tap the spuare to accelerate there,quick tap of the button turns you here....this all registers in the mind and is then brought into the real world. And that's where it all comes down too on my view of video games. It is a tool that shapes them into who they think they are and what they believe they can achieve.

Phew, that was like writing a college paper.

Love first person shooters! "quake" since 1997 :cool:

Cold bastard,
I see where you're coming from and am kind of happy that we may have learned something from eachother. But, you say you play flight simulator games and say that these actually aided you in learning your that trade. I say that racing/driving games can do this too. Also, Isnt it true that you can fly into a building and not die, or restart, the same in a flight simulator as you can in a driving game?

I'm going to end this here saying:

Video games have an effect on everyone's behavior, but so do other things, (television, movies, etc). The "ricer" fad will pass just like everything other fad has (including red hats).

Lets just hope the elky fad is there to take it's place

WROR

Yes, first person shooters! I am a big fan of the Medal of honor games.

I give you this last one to chew on. There is a big differance with flight games and racing games.

With the flight games,the point of the game is to keep the plane in the air,maintain flight speed,adjust flaps,read instuments,ect. If you do something out of line like trying a barrel roll or high climb,you'll you end up in a spin or stall. There are some stunt flight games,but the majority is to learn to fly a plane PROPERLY.

With car games(you name them they are all designed this way),the whole point is to go AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. What's the first thing you do in Grand Turismo? You buy speed parts to make you 4 banger go faster. Ever drive the national speed limit in any of these games? You'd get smoked and lose. There isn't a driving game out there that simulates real world driving....cause no one would buy them! The driving games don't teach you to operate a car properly on any highway in the US.

Are you seeing the differances? Here's a fun little test for comparing flight to driving games. Try doing a barrel roll in a flying game with a Lear. You'll crash. Now try running a car up to 120 in Grand Truismo 1,2,or 3(the highest selling driving games)then quick turn your wheel all the way to the left. It won't let you flip which in reality you'd do about 10 flips.

Anyways,like you said(and like I tryed to convey in my original statement)there are lots of things that influence people. Video games aren't the one and only reason for behavioral characteristics,however they do contribute to them. And us Elky guys will be around long past the ricer fad(cause that's all it really is...a fad)cause we're cut from a differant loaf of bread. We don't follow the herd. 8-)

Yes, first person shooters!
Medal of Honor,Halo,Resident Evil's,and Ghost Recon,all favorites over here. My latest time waster is Rainbow Six 3. If anyone is on X-box Live,my handle is ColdBastrd if you want to get a game going. :lol:

Goldeneye and Halo are the two best shooters.

and for racing games I prefer IHRA drag racing 2

Medal of Honor,Halo,Resident Evil's,and Ghost Recon,all favorites over here.

oh yeah resident evil rocks, but i dont ever take my 12 ga. outside and start firing into crowds of "zombies." i think that people (kids) watch way too much TV and play way too many of those d@mn video games. next time you see your kid playing video games, give him a rake and send him out to the yard. then he can have some real fun... i remember my childhood days spent in the yard with Mr.Rake and Mrs.Bag.... good times, good times...

but i dont ever take my 12 ga. outside and start firing into crowds of "zombies."
Well see here's the thing. Of course you don't go outside and start killing people and zomies or become a serial killer in real life. Or start tackling people on the street after playing football games. However my point being with this all is the brain persieves that it is learning a skill from playing in a simulated enviroment. Ask any kid who plays nothing but shooting games how good of a rifleman he would be with a real gun. I bet 9 times out of 10 they will believe they would handle a gun like a pro and be a marksman even if they never picked one up. In some games you can actually pick up skills that can be used in the real world. Why else would aviation companies and police institutes use them? It's the ones that you think your learning a skill that won't transcend into the real world well that I'm talking about.

You don't have the feel,weight,and recoil of a gun in a game. You don't have that seat of the pants,hands on a wheel thats connected to the tires feel of the road dynamic in a game. My 9 year old can shot the hell out of me in a game. Can he handle a real gun. Doubt it. A 17 year old can master a driving game. Will his subconcious mind allow him to think he can pull something off behind the wheel of a real car from something he learned in a game when in reality he probably couldn't? Probably. Bear in mind I'm spreaking in terms of subconcious and concious. Subconcious is more impulsive/instinctive thinking.

:? very interesting... i think that people who only sit around playing video games, may actually think that they can do the things they do in the game. granted flight simulators are REALITY based. it does what a real plane would do. blaming video games for school shootings and street racing is bull. dont blame the game, blame the parents who spoil thier kids buying them all that crap and its all they do. i know my cousin is one of them. he has every sytem since atari. ALL he does is play those stupid games. video games are fun, but kids need to actually live...in the OUTSIDE world, maybe then they will realize that the world isnt some big video game. and getting left in the dust by a person who is fed up with the cocky little kids in thier hondas would help too. :D

Anyone here play Red Faction on the computer?
Thats a game for ya, and i also play halo...

I play buffy the vampire slayer too, (but thats more for the characters then the actual game.. :) Sarah michelle gellar is hot!)

WROR