Here is a link to an article on MSNBC with the recyclers view on the cash for clunkers progam.

Auto recyclers leery of cash for clunkers (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32188133/ns/business-autos/from/ET)

Here are a few quotes:

"Under cash for clunkers, the government is advising car dealers to replace a trade-in's engine oil with a sodium silicate solution and run the engine to ruin it before giving or selling the car to a scrap dealer."

Really???

"Now you're removing cars people could afford, and they're not available anymore," said Norm Wright, CEO of Stadium Auto and Truck Parts Inc., a Denver recycler. "There will be less cars to pull from, so the price of parts will go up."

Like we didn't see that coming like a freight train...

And before anybody asks, yes, I did send a letter voicing my concers (to my congressman), but that was like pissing in the wind. He is a Kennedy after all.

Duane

The dealers have to drain the oil out and use the silica mix to trash the engines. The cars near here are going to a u pull it yard after that. Some parts will go up in price but there will still be parts out there.
I'm not a fan of the cash for clunkers deal, would rather the goverment told it for what it is, not for the enviroment but to sell new cars.
Link to a local salvge yard on the cash for clunkers, http://www.nordstromsauto.com/Content.aspx?id=59

I don't know if the American public can endure three and a half more years of this cxxp. It just goes from one thing to another. Its just a matter of the halves and the halve nots, and it looks like the halves are going to make sure that the majority of us are going to have less and less. I am retired U. S. Navy and the benefits I once had are diminishing by the day. You can't blame me for this worsening mess I voted for Mccain.

That is so dumb. I don't understand how they continue to get away with the stuff they are.

The dealers have to drain the oil out and use the silica mix to trash the engines. The cars near here are going to a u pull it yard after that. Some parts will go up in price but there will still be parts out there.
I'm not a fan of the cash for clunkers deal, would rather the goverment told it for what it is, not for the enviroment but to sell new cars.
Link to a local salvge yard on the cash for clunkers, http://www.nordstromsauto.com/Content.aspx?id=59

They better not be or the yard owner will lose his business with the fines they will impose. The engines are to be disabled and pulled and the cars crushed intact. They are not supposed to sell anything off of the cars as they are esentially property if the federal government!

Maybe they will go to scrap yards instead of auto salvage yards. That would make sense if no parts can be sold off them. Sounds like they just want them (and the parts on them) off the market. American auto workers seemed to have priced themselves out of work, with all the imports flooding in, so I doubt that the clunker idea will help US auto makers much.

Maybe they will go to scrap yards instead of auto salvage yards. That would make sense if no parts can be sold off them. Sounds like they just want them (and the parts on them) off the market. American auto workers seemed to have priced themselves out of work, with all the imports flooding in, so I doubt that the clunker idea will help US auto makers much.

No, it won't. And sadly, all that scrap metal will be loaded onto ships and sold to China.

wow the **** they come up with when they have much better things to do *** is wrong with these people?

They better not be or the yard owner will lose his business with the fines they will impose. The engines are to be disabled and pulled and the cars crushed intact. They are not supposed to sell anything off of the cars as they are esentially property if the federal government!
If you read in the link they are goverment authorized to scrap the cars less the engines.

If you read in the link they are goverment authorized to scrap the cars less the engines.

This NOW becomes a DEFINITION issue. What is meant by "SCRAP" verses "SALVAGE" in the "EYES OF THE LAW, AND THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN". I do not believe the Federal Government has left any doubt to the way it is to be Interpreted in the writing of this bill.
Last I thought was "SCRAP" meant to destroy, and "SALVAGE" meant to recycle. But I slept through that part of English Class, and never made it to LAW SCHOOL. So what do I know? But I'm pretty sure we haven't heard the last on this issue.
Will this be a Case for the Supreme Court?:dontknow:

Hello This is a very bad ideal. Must of the people driving old cars can not afford a new car even with money back from the government.

Scrap is my wording though. In the press release it is called "authorized dismantler".
I think you are right something will happen this issue will be on it's way to the Supreme Court, esp now the EPA has changed some of the MPG figures. http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_content_landing_pages/1030/clunker-confusion-mpg-figures/;_ylc=X3oDMTFkNnJla280BF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEc2VjA2ZwLXRv ZGF5BHNsawNjbHVua2VyLWNvbmZ1c2lvbg--

A local company that is a scrapyard /recycler wanted to handle these cars until he was told by the people who authorize that the cars are to be SCRAPPED!!! He said that they are to be crushed period!!! So he said thanks but no thanks!
There was a place on the news yesterday in northern Illinois that was showing the news crew how they had to destroy the vehicles and he stated that they could not sell parts!!!:dontknow:

This whole program stinks. I don't like my tax money given to people and dealers to buy and sell new cars. Except for my wife's used Jaguar, my 87 EC is the newest car I drive. Our tax money was never intended to subsidize all the crap it goes to now. How many more programs, special interests, industries and businesses are we going to dole out our tax money? Frankly I'm fed up the way the government is giving out my hard-earned taxes. Where does it end?

Doug

This is directly from the WWW.CARS.GOV (http://WWW.CARS.GOV) web site:


What happens to the vehicle I trade in?

The CARS Act requires that the trade-in vehicle be crushed or shredded so that it will not be resold for use in the United States or elsewhere as an automobile. The entity crushing or shredding the vehicles in this manner will be allowed to sell some parts of the vehicle prior to crushing or shredding it, but these parts cannot include the engine or the drive train.




So, they will be able to remove body panels, bumpers, lamp assemblies, and interior parts with the rest getting crushed/shredded (and sadly most likely sold to China/Taiwan/Korea).

Check what is going on. There is a time limit in which it has to be done and yards are so leery of the rules they are crushing or shredding them immediately.
The dealer is charged with making sure that the car is crushed.
If the yard does something with the car that they should not the dealer will also be held responsible.
For that reason some dealers are actually having a portable crusher come to the lot and crush the cars right on sight to ensure that they have complied!

Another band-aid fix for a broken leg.

this sounds like im kinda screwed if i need used parts for my 73 elky

Your 73 Elky is not affected by the program, it has to be 25 yrs old and newer and gets less than 18 MPG.

I tried to impress this on the CNBC car guy but he did not get it. Of all the vehicles I have, the one the gets the lowest miles per gallon is the one that I drive the least. The benefit the gov't claims from these kind of programs is way overinflated based on instantaneous emission rates rather than cumulative rates. My "gross polluter" driven 500 miles per year puts out less emissions than a new car driven 12,000 miles per year. (actually I drive my 66 EC less than 100 miles per year)

I tried to impress this on the CNBC car guy but he did not get it. Of all the vehicles I have, the one the gets the lowest miles per gallon is the one that I drive the least. The benefit the gov't claims from these kind of programs is way overinflated based on instantaneous emission rates rather than cumulative rates. My "gross polluter" driven 500 miles per year puts out less emissions than a new car driven 12,000 miles per year. (actually I drive my 66 EC less than 100 miles per year)
EXACTLY. The problem with having a gas sipper is being fooled into thinking you can drive as much as you want and that you are helping... I think it is more important to consolidant your trips and limit how much you drive as compared to what you drive but that would be asking too much of people. More and more everything is becoming throw away, now the second biggest investment most people have (their car) is becoming throw away just like computers, cameras, CELL PHONES...So when are they going to do the same for older homes that do not have the latest "green" tech. People need to grow up and realize they do not need to have the latest, newest and greatest of everything, buy new when needed but until then be conservative and get the full use out of what you have.

The Federal deficit is now three times what it was just a year ago (THE HIGHEST EVER)...and we still have to endure 3 more years of this (I hope it's only 3 more years). Every man, woman and child would have to pay $38,182.00 to pay off the deficit...and it's climbing by the minute!!! Quick...someone call the U.S. Treasury and tell them to print more money so the government can buy more clunkers...the Cash for Clunkers Program is a success...HOORAY...Socialism is just around the corner! Now someone poke me so I wake up from this frigging nightmare I'm having. Any elected politicians reading this ever hear the term "Fiscal Responsibility"...apparently not!

They still have only paid out for 2% of the cash for clunker money to dealers. Now GM has said they will front the cash to the dealers until the Government pays up.
WITH WHAT????:dontknow:

magus wrote
actually I have heard rumors that if you intend to sell your house it has to meet the guvmint's green standard or you will be fined or made to bring it up to standards THEIRS :texas::let_it_all_out:

Check what is going on. There is a time limit in which it has to be done and yards are so leery of the rules they are crushing or shredding them immediately.
The dealer is charged with making sure that the car is crushed.
If the yard does something with the car that they should not the dealer will also be held responsible.
For that reason some dealers are actually having a portable crusher come to the lot and crush the cars right on sight to ensure that they have complied!
That's just wrong. Man I hate our friking government with a passion.:evil:

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Three of the local dealerships are sending porters to accompany the car to the scrap (Not Salvage) yard, and take a photo on scale and a photo in crusher and a photo with Ram down on car. This was just a way of covering their behinds.

Being a bodyman for the years that I was, I was furious, as has been said... as if parts do not cost enough already, if you can even find them.

I wrote my congressman as well, but what leaves your body warm, is often cold by the time it comes back and splashes on ya.

The plan was an ill conceived attempt to force consumers into financing cars that they probably can not afford anyhow.

Glad it is finally closed here, I just hope that it stays that way.

There seems to be a lot of smrter dealers around the country. They have put the "clunkers" on the back lot but have not destoyed the engines yet. They are waiting to get paid first. If for some reason they don't, they will sell the cars on the used lot! Some worth more than the 3500/4500 clunker rebate.

From what I've seen on TV, a majority of the so-called clunkers are pickup trucks.

This plan was a failure. Many dealers got shafted, those that sat tight and waited to be paid before destroying the cars. Made out a little better. But I heard that many of the so called clunkers went to so called wholesalers and dealers made more that way.