OK, so I've been talking with the Carlisle people getting things ready for 2010. As you all know we had 5 classes for 2009 because of the expected large turnout for the 50th. They didn't go by preregistrations like usual, they went on my word alone. Before I negotiate any more with them I'd like the opinions of the membership.

Do you all prefer classes for each generation with stock and modified mixed like 2009 or do you want to separate stock/modified and combine generations?

This is just to get a feeling for what you all would like, the ultimate decision is always up to the Carlisle powers that be but I can promise you I do push HARD!

Leo,

I like the classes by Gen and separated stock/modified.

Jim

i didnt go to Carlisle but im def in favor of being seperated by generation. judges could be bias towards the gen that they like and completely ignore an immaculate version of another gen. im not saying it always happens but hey you never know and it keeps it in the playing field kinda... i think its kinda hard for a perfect 5th gen to compete with a perfect 1st gen.

Hello Leo I was there at 09 and had a blast! Anyway I think we should separate the classes at least. Then do stock and modified for each class. There were some El Camino I thought should of won over others. So having stock and modified will let guys like me have a chance to win over guys who are all stock. I mean some judges might like an all stock El Camino over a modified one.

Hey Leo, I had a good time at the 50th as well. Generations should be separate for sure but the 5th Gens need to be broke down even further......there are always more 5th gens then most others combined.

Being the owner of an "unmodified" El Camino, I naturally do not feel that I can compete with the very BEAUTIFUL modifieds, and I can fully understand the position of a "modified" owner when he/she has invested thousands, or in many cases tens of thousands, of dollars in making their El Camino all they want it to be. So those are at least two VERY real inequities in the generational/modifications class distinctions.

I also don't feel that I can compete well against a fully restored, unmodified, generation 1 El Camino, and in a perfect world, I shouldn't be put in that position. The enormous difficulties in researching, and then obtaining, the necessary parts for a successful restoration of a Gen 1 cruck are certainly different from that of a Gen 3 cruck - and the same differentials exist as you compare the inequities between the successful restorations of a Gen 3 to a Gen 5.

I've said all that to say this (Let me say this about that!), the only fair way for the generations and modifieds to compete is to go heads-up against the same category of car that they are! I realize that there will be small classes in some cases - and we will have to be satisfied, in some instances, with a class of one! However, in the case of Carlisle 2009, and very hopefully, in Carlisle 2010, there is NO legitimate reason why there cannot be 10 classes! Lets compete against the only fair competition we have - that of like crucks.

I've been as brief as I can be...............Ken :beer:

I think they should be classed by color.:poke:
I don't feel it fair that you guys with white Elko's should have to compete against my bright yellow, (now don't that sound like a bunch of crap):dontknow:
I love this site!!!:You_Rock:
Donny

The reason the poll is as it is is because there are a few "givens" for 2010:
1) In a perfect world we would get 10 classes, that is each gen in a class and then Stock and Modified. The only way to get that would be to have at least three cars PRE-REGISTERED in each of the 10 classes. I honestly don't see that happening so don't count on it.
2) If one class is split Stock/Modified then all have to be, we can't split the Gen 5s and not the others for instance.
3) If we reduce the generation classes to what we had in 20008 we get three classes: Gen 1/2, Gen 3/4, Gen 5. We could get those further split into Stock and Modified for a total of 6 classes but again, preregistrations are very very very (did I mention very?) important.

I don't feel it fair that you guys with white Elko's should have to compete against my bright yellow,

Hey Donny - until I read that... I wasn't sure if I liked you

Well I'm glad your sure now, I'm just not sure of which!:dontknow:
Donny

Do it by three classes Stock, Street, Modified then have one overall best of show El Camino no year break no gen break. Very similar or the same as Super Chevy Shows, class every one at the time of judging should a car do it wrong or not understand the seperation of street & mod stock speaks for itself. Second way is same but just two classes stock, modified and one overall. Less car need for pre-registration.

The perfect way is by gen with stock and mod in each gen. But Leo is right on the number of cars pre-registered may not let it happen.

Well I would say lets just stick to what we had last year unless we can add stock and modified. As previously said there is no way my 86 El Camino can compete against a 59-60 El Camino no matter how much money I put in mine. At least do not change what we had last years since it work fine.

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Based on the poll results to date it's obvious that most care more about class separation. So unless things change that'll be the way I'll be pushing, preferably for five classes by Gen.

Hey Donny - until I read that... I wasn't sure if I liked you

Tom,

I'm with you.

Jim

Well I would say lets just stick to what we had last year unless we can add stock and modified. As previously said there is no way my 86 El Camino can compete against a 59-60 El Camino no matter how much money I put in mine. At least do not change what we had last years since it work fine.

I always thought and believe it to be true that we are not competing against each other. We are competing against our own car. Each car is judged, in stock class anyway, by originallity, or by quality of restoration, paint, engine compartment, interior, etc., based on originallity. So if you have a super clean, shiny, straight, and correct car that's what gets you high points. The higher the score the better the chance to place.
True, I guess, in modified or race its purely speculative based on "looks".

Well when you fix up your El Camino it is all about how you did it. For me at least I did not paint my enigne bay when I got my 396 in my El Camino. So I get screwed when ever I get judged at a show since the paint is not the greatest looking inside the engine bay. Also I have a few paint chips and scratches I hope to get done before Carisle. Anywhoo lets keep getting peoples option on this so we choose on how to break down the classes.

Having a 4th gen. “The Redheaded step child” of all generations I’d like to see it split into each gen.
Just my .02

By gen and then again by stock / modified, but this probably won't work in 1st or 4th gen as these have historically be the generations that shows up the least. In 5th gen, no problem though as this has historically be the gen to show up the most.

Leo,
I was at carlisle 2009 and thought the way the classes (categories) were set up was fine ,like you said in a perfect world there would be 10 classes(categories) . anyway it was great time and I still get a big smile on when I look at all the pics of everyone.......:beer:........Don

Well I hope to see you again MR.Chev and everyone else

Based on the poll and comments it seems the members are overwhelmingly in favor of keeping the classes the way we did last year, 5 classes. So that's what I'm shooting for BUT pre-registrations is very important as this number weighs a lot in figuring the classes and my ability to negotiate with the powers that be at Carlisle.

Also, we must have at least 25 pre-registers! That gets us the free tent, if not we'll need to ask for donations again this year in order to pay for it.

LEO any word on number count on Preregistration?

LEO any word on number count on Preregistration?

I should have a count this week.

OK well let me know since I have an account of 17 that said they are coming. Hope more registed that I do not know of.

even if you did stock and modified separate for gen 2, 3, and 5 and then 1 and 4 were stock and modified together. That would only be 8 categories and for the fact that you guys said 1 and 4 gens have by far the smallest turn outs, it would make sense, at least in my head.

that is actually a great Idea you have there!