its only a matter of time before we get it here. How old is classic? Lemmy do you hear me. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.244057bd1b30448115575c2187e6868 1.141&show_article=1

I really don't know what to say in this small a space. Lots of luck. With all the vehicles we have here, don't know if it would work. Live 100 miles from Dallas. Could not make the trip very often, would cut down on my wife's trips to Wal Mart. Would have to move closer to the beer store. Or brew my own.
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Let's see add a piece of electronics to a car to track it. 1. would be hard to pass something like that here without everyone screaming Big Brother. 2. Yeah real hard to hack something like that so that it can't report everything.

All this Co2 climated change junk is just all about lining pockets. Notice how they found a way to make the THEORY of man made climate change profitable. It's not like you can spend the gasses away!. ALSO it has never been PROVEN!! So why are they making govermental decisions they know nothing about!!?? More an more people everyday are falling off the global warming bandwagon, all these politicians will look so naive soon. But, I bet all the taxes for it will remain...It could be armegedan and they will find a way to make money off it.

I was just going to say... splice it and make it so you can connect the unit to a secondary power supply and leave it in your garage. Would not be hard at all to hack this. I would be racking up about 23 cents in driving taxes per year.

:321: That is my opinion on all this enviro,PC ,One world government BS. One day we will wake up and not know the country we live in. Be very afraid.

Wow,GPS on each vehicle,and how would the cost of implementing this be?Not to mention being able to track each vehicle.What total BS.

"1984" right around the corner.

There comes a time when enough is enough. Sooner than later, most likely sooner you have to stand up for what is right. I personally will only take so much before I give back ten fold. Al Gore has made over 100 Million since he was evicted from the Vice presidency. Not bad selling his global warming theory. I think there are more shady politicions in Washington than in most county jails. I just remember how the United States was like the New Foundland toilet paper, rough and tough and didn't take any S--t off anyone or any other country. Just my opinion.:buttkick:
Ted Dubree

Approximately 80% of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation, so let's not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emission standards from man-made sources.
Ronald Reagan

I agree. The global warming fanatics are not only willing to allow themselves to be fleeced but they are determined to impose their pseudoscience on everyone else. :banghead:

aw shucks guys- elect Palin as pres and see how fast they ram this c--p down our throats- I saw on another site that one of the eastern states in their legislature has proposed a similar idea- may be pa or nj. The time to fight this bs is now- get after your legislators and stop this bs before it starts in ernest. SEMA is a good place to start- the above is just my opinion and I hope you guys buy into it. Good luck. :let_it_all_out::bat_angel:

The technology to do this is already here, and at use in this country. Progressive insurance recently introduced a "pay as you drive" auto insurance product that uses a GPS module plugged into your OBD2 port. It bases your insurance rate on miles driven, number of stops & starts, and speed. Needless to say, I won't be using, or recommending it to anyone. It's too "Big Brother" for me.

Also, has anyone seen the latest GM Onstar commercials? It touts the ability of Onstar to remotely disable a vehicle for law enforcement. While the intention of keeping your vehicle safe from theft is noble, it doesn't take too much imagination to see how this could be abused. Something to think about.

this wont work here. the public wont take it laying down. like all the town hall meetings about health care, that was alot of senoirs, imagine the entire population against this? the olny people that wouldnt mind it dont own a vehicle or ride a bike everywhere. seems kinda shady to me :secret:

Also, has anyone seen the latest GM Onstar commercials? It touts the ability of Onstar to remotely disable a vehicle for law enforcement. While the intention of keeping your vehicle safe from theft is noble, it doesn't take too much imagination to see how this could be abused. Something to think about.

Funny video HERE (http://www.gmcentral.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2522#post2522) that really happened with OnStar. :shock:

"Traffic jams (http://get.lingospot.com/link/?@li2=1049&is_lhid=1&key=SVKEJENJ&ps_id=fxxa3RHE77&q=QQ:lqOTqjptCQ@P_7DP{:PORJJOGUAOHHIVOqptJ:pnCGOqm j_J:pnCAO4aJm8CPSURA:UGIKVV&site_id=breitbart.com&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftopics.breitbart.com%2FTraffic%2B jams%2F&url_key=_TaCUO0CGBZ@IDUADK&v=1&~boot=1258415604498) will be halved and it helps the environment," the ministry said. "

How do they think this will happen? Do they think everybody just drives for the heck of it? Too bad if you have to go to work. So much for delivery drivers, taxi cabs, Buses, Ambulances, Fire Trucks.....

I wouldn't be surprised to see them try it here though. Everybody says people won't stand for these abuses but we all forget just how many of our rights have already been slowly taken away over the past 60 years.

Look at the R12 scam. Explain how R12 can kill the ozone layer when the chemical is heavier than air and sinks to the ground. Had an old Science teacher prove it. If it was so dangerous they would have banned it from home AC units, Refigerators, freezers but it's still in there. Mostly because it would be impossible to get an energy star label on any of those things because of how much bigger the compressor would have to be not to mention how much more it would have to work thus using more power.
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home AC units, Refigerators, freezers but it's still in there. :nanawrench:

I agree with you, but to set the Record Straight, the above Items use R-22, not R-12.

Then again, maybe I'm NOT Straight, after all

EC74guy, You can still buy r-12 at pep boys but it is now called freeze-12 they took some CFC's out of it and made it legal. http://freeze-12.com/

Rushgator, this is why my next "new" car is a 54 chevy truck with antique plates. Driven only during car show and repair functions of course.:rolleyes2:

The technology to do this is already here, and at use in this country. Progressive insurance recently introduced a "pay as you drive" auto insurance product that uses a GPS module plugged into your OBD2 port. It bases your insurance rate on miles driven, number of stops & starts, and speed. Needless to say, I won't be using, or recommending it to anyone. It's too "Big Brother" for me.

Also, has anyone seen the latest GM Onstar commercials? It touts the ability of Onstar to remotely disable a vehicle for law enforcement. While the intention of keeping your vehicle safe from theft is noble, it doesn't take too much imagination to see how this could be abused. Something to think about.

With regard to OnStar's ability to disable vehicle's, my paranoid side notes that the Fed's own, what, 60% of GM? Just something to think about.

Okay.....I'll play devil's advocate.

They batted that idea here in Colorado a while back to raise more money for road maintenance. Instead they went with increasing everyone's registration fee by $40 or more. So now I pay an additional $40 on every one of my vehicle weather it be my motorcycle and el camino which only see about 3000 miles a year combined or my daily driver which sees closer to 60,000 miles a year. For somebody like me who has multiple vehicles but can only drive one at a time a usage tax sounds to be more fair. I wouldn't have a problem with this as long as it is in place of a registration and license fee. I don't mind big brother knowing how much I drive. But I do mind them knowing where I drive. And that is the reason I would be against it.
The one nice thing is that if you have a classic car and get the collectors plates you one have to pay the additional $40 once every 5 years. They originally wanted to charge classics $40 per year or $200 each time you renewed you plates since they are good for 5 years. I still think it's a bit unfair that my motorcycle has to pay the same as a car or truck. There is no way you can convince me that it does as much damage to the roads as a car.

We have the perfect person to jump on this and say "he has created more jobs again see how great I am" This will work right in there with the wind mill idea. This will be presented with in a year for study at a cost of say a 100 million, paid for by tax dollars taken from the raise of taxes on ethonal or the tax on collector cars of 25 years or more as being risky and bad for the environment.
"Don't say this can't happen it just did"

Oh by they way the federal fuel board has raised the % of ethonal in all gas to 20% minium in all states, I think starting Jan 1 2010 and a mustbe date later in the year.

sheesh wish I'd kept my 55 chevy stepside jim:texas:

I don't believe that idea will fly here. And I also don't believe all the guns will be taken away. I'm kind of liberal, but have guns, and not THAT liberal !!:smileyb:
I can just picture folks ripping out the big brother transmitters !!
I'll even help them do it:nanawrench:

The gas companies will never by into because we'll be buying less fuel! We'll take fewer vacations and not drive as far when we do, so there goes tourisim and more jobs! The article didn't mention hybrids and electric cars, would they be affected? - could be a scam to force us out of our gas burners and into more hybrids - no thank you! And I thought newer cars are burning cleaner than ever before - so the commericals make us believe! What a crock!

I don't think it would work and am against it only because I don't want something put on my car that the government could use to monitor where I am going. But I don't believe something like this would if done right. By that I mean, in place of current registration fees and if the cost per mile isn't to high, would affect how much people travel.
As it is right now if I project out my annual registration fees over the number of miles driven per year it works out to approximately 34 cents per hundred miles for my daily driver, $1.39 per hundred miles for my motorcycle and $1.77 per hundred miles for the El Camino. So really looking at it that way my 90 Honda Accord is a bargain to drive when compared to my toys.
Around here they even were thinking of a additional gasoline tax in order to raise more funds for road repair. Which really is nothing more than a usage tax like a fee per mile. But without the tracking device. They instead opted for the additional $40 some dollar fee per vehicle to raise the funds. The way it is, there are three different levels depending on the weight of the vehicle. So trucks pay more than cars and bikes and commercial vehicles pay the most. And as far as I know no one is exempt.
So what I'm really getting at is I would much rather pay a tax or fee based on my usage instead of a flat rate tax. But in this case I don't support the idea because of the tracking device. It's also one of the reasons I don't buy a car with OnStar, because they can pin point were my car is at any given time. No one needs to know that but me.