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Harald K
01-08-2010, 12:39 PM
First a bit of back ground, when people tell you bonding a fiberglass scoop to a metal hood is a waste of time take their word for it.
having learned this lesson I am now a firm believer after having wasted money and time just to have the project crack terribly after only 10 months.
Any way I decided to do what I should have done to begin with ordered a metal cowl induction hood. The reason I did not do this initially is because paying the $145.00 or more for shipping that most vendors wanted just made me mad. After doing some serious searching on the internet I ran across a distributor which offered free shipping on all orders over $50.00 including their cowl induction hood. The hood is a "Keyparts" hood which is actually the wholesaler for all of the cowl hoods made for the 5th Generation ELCamino, at least as far as I can tell, having researched a ton of sites and advertisements as well as other forums.
"Keyparts" also provides many of the GM restoration parts so I felt hopeful that the quality would be there.
I ordered the hood from "Autoparts warehouse" on 31th of December and received it today. The hood was well packed and in great shape it is the same hood that I have seen others get from Goodmark the price was even a bit less , but what sold me was shipping was free.
The only minor issue was finding the hood on their web site if you do a search using the 78-87 ELCamino it won't come up only a stock hood will. If you enter the 78-87 Malibu the cowl hood will come up. The way I found it was by doing a Google search for metal cowl hood ELCamino 78-87 which brought up a separate advertisement for the cowl induction hood with free shipping highlighted. So if your in the market for a nice new hood check them out the part number is 0821-035H you will find this ame number with Jegs and various others. Harald K
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/ :texas:

CF
01-08-2010, 02:38 PM
does it say gm on it? if the quality is there (same) who cares.

Carretera
01-08-2010, 02:47 PM
Hi Harald, how is the fit? I have a light weight fiberglass hood and the fit is ok but not the way I would like it. Glad you found what you were looking for.

el meenoo
01-08-2010, 02:52 PM
nice find let us know how it fits..did they ship to residence?:nanawrench:

Harald K
01-08-2010, 08:19 PM
Yes they will ship to your home. Harald K

Harald K
01-10-2010, 10:28 AM
Did a test fit of the new cowl hood before paint and it fit perfectly, as good or better than the stock . Under side is very well put togeather. I'm looking forward to getting it painted and driving around with the much improved new look. Harald K :texas:

PaPa Johns 77
01-10-2010, 10:47 AM
In defense of good bodymen I will say I have know several over the tears that would add glass to sheetmetal and have seen it hold up more than 15-20 years when done right!
If the hood is cut out under the entire opening you must brace it so it does not overly flex! Also making sure that the glue under all existing bracing is still stuck as it tends to come loose over the years!:dontknow:

Yeast1
01-10-2010, 02:13 PM
Sounds like you found a great part with the best shipping price.....free. Photos when you get a chance.

Harald K
01-10-2010, 07:30 PM
I'm sure that there might be some one or some way to bond a scoop to the metal hood and make it last, but in the 55 years I have been playing with cars I have never met anyone who recommends doing it.
I should have listened and saved the time and money.
I think we did take as many precautions as possible in bonding the scoop to the metal hood. We used quality materials and the friend who did the actual work has a great deal of experience as a body man and most particularly with fiberglass. Bracing was in tacked and the scoop was even bolted in a number of locations, Unfortunately I think the drastic temperature changes and the difference in flexing of the hood and the scoop caused the cracking of the paint and some bonding agents at the upper edge and the front edge. Any way it was a lesson learned that will not soon be forgotten. Harald K :texas:

PaPa Johns 77
01-11-2010, 01:14 PM
I'm sure that there might be some one or some way to bond a scoop to the metal hood and make it last, but in the 55 years I have been playing with cars I have never met anyone who recommends doing it.
I should have listened and saved the time and money.
I think we did take as many precautions as possible in bonding the scoop to the metal hood. We used quality materials and the friend who did the actual work has a great deal of experience as a body man and most particularly with fiberglass. Bracing was in tacked and the scoop was even bolted in a number of locations, Unfortunately I think the drastic temperature changes and the difference in flexing of the hood and the scoop caused the cracking of the paint and some bonding agents at the upper edge and the front edge. Any way it was a lesson learned that will not soon be forgotten. Harald K :texas:

I wasn't trying to put your work down Harald, would never do that because I have been there myself!
Yeah, even I recommend against it personally! I think there are so many variables in doing it size, shape, weight, steel thickness, materials and methods. Not even including how the vehicle is used. Like just around town, weekend warrior or highway driven all factor as well as local climate!
I just had to defend a few from years ago that seemed to be able to work the magic it seems to take!To them I tip my hat!:hail2:

El Corvino
01-17-2010, 03:15 AM
One of the builders was showing me a project car that he was doing. He was adding a glass cowl to a metal hood. He said he has done them for 20 years and has only had 1 come back with an issue. He said it can be done with the know how, but he never recommends its and he would never do it to any of his personal vehicles.

tsunamigregg
02-15-2010, 03:47 PM
I have a scoop glassed onto a steel hood; it has a 2 in. crack in the paint along the scoop. The framing on the bottom of the hood was cut under the scoop to make room for the aircleaner. Don't like how that looks either. Right now, I have the scoops from a 67 hood being grafted onto a 79 hood. Steel on steel this time. When done, it'll just have a thin coat of mud to fill any imperfections from the welding.

358L-CO
02-15-2010, 04:08 PM
I have a glass hood that i spent 310 on all together not horrible but a steel one for that price is amazing.. Will def look into it