hey guys and gals, i got this off another site and hope it doesn't ruffle anyones feathers but i sure do hope it gets you to thinkin....hmmmm

differences

a young woman was about to finish her first year of college. she considered herself a very liberal democrat, but her father was a staunch republican.

one day she was challenging her father on his beliefs and his opposition to high taxes and welfare programs. he stopped her and asked how she was doing in school. she answered that she had a 4.0 gpa, but it was really tough. she had to study all the time and never had time to go out and party. she didn't have time for a boyfriend and didn't have many college friends because of spending all her time studying. on top of that, the part-time job her father insisted she keep left absolutely no time for anything else.

he asked, "how is your friend mary?"

she replied that mary was barely getting by. she had a 2.0 gpa, never studied, but was very popular on campus, didn't have a job, and went to all the parties. she was always complaining about not having any money, but didn't want to work. why, she often didn't show up for classes because she was hung over.

dad then asked his daughter why she didn't go to the dean's office and request that 1.0 be taken off her 4.0 and given to her friend who only had a 2.0. that way they both would have a respectable 3.0 gpa. then, she could also give her friend half the money she'd earned from her job so that her friend would no longer be broke.

the daughter angrily fired back, "that wouldn't be fair. i worked really hard for my grades and money, and mary just loafs. why should her laziness and irresponsibility be rewarded with half of what i've worked for?"

the father slowly smiled and said, "welcome to the republican party!"

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thats pretty much saying that people with less money don't work hard. Still funny though

thats pretty much saying that people with less money don't work hard. Still funny though

WHOOSH!

I've observed that most editors and writers of auto enthusiast publications and almost all car enthusiasts (older ones at least) are politically conversative. Also people who hate cars are almost always politically liberal. I have my thoughts as to why this is, does anyone care to comment?

Well don't you know Cars damage the enviorment! Kill thousands of innocent people. Ruin the ozone layer and cause mad cows disease!

Of course they hate them!

The first three things I can agree with but what does a pissed-off cow have to do with it?

My point being to some people EVERYTHING that happens bad is all because of car exhaust.

There's plenty of good hard working people in this country who do not make much money. Not all are bad or lazy. Not all are Democrat, Republican or Whig, for that matter. However, 100% of them failed to get qualified for earning a good living in the good old USA. Until Outsourcing came along in recent years, the only real substitute for higher education was a highly skilled trade. Now, even that is being threatened. I don't know about the rest of you, but to me, that is very scary.

Spoonplugger it is scary because we are going thru a major reshifting of our economy such as the Industrial Revolution, this is a Technological Revolution. Some people unfortunately will be left behind but I think when it all shakes out we will be in the same position as we were after the Industrial Revolution--the strongest, most free, and wealthiest country in the world. I have done some traveling and it only confirms what I always believed--Americans have the greatest "can-do" attitude of all the world's people. Have Faith.

im liberal and i dont hate cars. im a demacrat, but im not some lazy bum taking free handouts. just b/c some people abuse the system does not make the system bad.

dad then asked his daughter why she didn't go to the dean's office and request that 1.0 be taken off her 4.0 and given to her friend who only had a 2.0. that way they both would have a respectable 3.0 gpa. then, she could also give her friend half the money she'd earned from her job so that her friend would no longer be broke.

hmmm that sounds more like communism than being a democrat :?

Motorbreth, you say that you're a Liberal. How do you respond to other Liberals who say that autos are ecologically disastrous and would prefer, or if they were in control, force us into public transportation. But of course they and the rest of the Liberal Elite would drive gas-guzzling SUVs (like John Kerry!). And once you question their hypocrisy on this issue you have to start examining all of their stands. I think that I once felt like you--being liberal always "feels" good but the answers don't wash under hard scutiny.

Liberalism, socialism, then communism. The first two are simply steps in the progression toward the ultimate sharing of resources (except the few at the very top who get way more than their fair share). A first step to open the door, a second step because it feels good and we don't like to see people suffer, and fianlly communism. Accept it or not folks, that's the way it works. No one in his right mind would choose communism as step one.

i am very much encouraged by all that have responded. the only thing in common with all the responses so far IS the fact that you can read AND the fact that you CAN'T read. go back to square 1 folks. if this is not something humorous as well as informative, then you are as you have been doing, making this a personal attack. it was and is a simple enough question. is a person, of whatever faith, creed, color or anything else that YOU want to separate out of the equation, entitled to what YOU HAVE WORKED FOR?????????? there all always exceptions to every rule, but no offense, LAZINESS AND A GOOD TIME BECAUSE YOU ARE "POPULAR" is no reason to expect a handout from ANYBODY!!!!! MY NAME IS BOB LEECH, JR and THIS is my opinion. i am entitled to it just as you and everyone in this country is. leave the countries overseas out because it doesn't work that way there. been there, done that.

NOW THEN. WHAT IS YOUR OPINION OF THAT? bob

I think some of the folks here took offense because these days offending someone's political alignment is thought to be akin to racial prejudice. From what I hear on talk radio these days that's no stretch either.

There was a time for example when folks laughed at an ethnic joke and thought nothing of it. Well noone except for a member of the subject minority that happened to overhear it. This is where all the Politically Correct stuff came from.

Political Correctness was a nice idea but it has gone too far. It should be a code of conduct that is generally accepted by society not the political baseball bat it's become.

I enjoyed the story but it doesn't make me a republican. Doesn't make me a democrat either though. I don't buy into absolutes, only possiblities that's why I have a brain so I can weigh the evidence and draw my own conclusion.

Anyway, I've run across plenty of lazy conservatives in my time, in AZ they're called senators :) as well as money grubbing liberals, they're called lawyers. :)

So take the story for what it is, an amusing little tale that just might disagree with your sensibilities but so what! Post one of your own with an opposing viewpoint. I bet I find something useful in both of them :)

If I was a cow, I'd be mad if they were going to use my hide to cover seats in a Navigator...an Escalade would be OK though, I guess, afterall it is a GM! And oh yeah, I agree with the step 1-3 progression of Liberalism, Socialism, Communism theory. Those of us that do have any money left will be driving around in KIA's while the Liberal leaders drive around in Navigators with their butts sitting on some mad cows face! It's not the common Liberal people of this country...it's their leaders who SUCK! The common ones are just cattle waiting to be led to the slaughter so their leaders can park their butts on their face too. Yo, wake the #@(* up!. I used to be a staunch Democrat! The Democratic Party of this country is in a shambles...they only point fingers and blame. They are not part of the solution...THEY ARE THE PROBLEM! If any of you disagree with me,oh well, so what, who cares, write your Liberal Congressman (maybe he cares...it'll give him an excuse to point his finger and blame a Republican for something) :lol: Now excuse me while I go take a ride in my gas guzzling Cadillac with the leather seats and air on to cool down. If that poor cow only new I had burritos last night for dinner, that would be one mad cow!

no i do not agree that cars are evil and all that, but i disagree with much more of the republican ideals. but like was said i dont buy in to definates. you just have to chose the lesser of two evils, and right now i dont know which i will chose. i see plenty of bad things and ideas that i disagree with bush but there are the same with kerry. i hate how some people vote strictly on parties. that is the stupidist bull sh!t ever. if there is a republican that i like i will vote for him. the party shouldnt matter. but i am a liberal, but i am not confined to be just a demacrat, or just a republican. i vote how i want to!!!!!!!! whew.. sorry. lets not talk bout politics any more :D

The real danger of a group of pepole like us talking politics is the same danger as talking religion. Both have the potential of splitting a group of like minded people into two different and opposing factions. According to the media these days, that has just about occurred in this country. Only a small percentage of undecided people will decide who our next President will be. Perhaps they are the smart ones because they are not blinded by party affiliations. However, it remains a sad fact that this small group of people will, in all likelihood, vote for the lesser of two evils. Whenever a politician comes along that is not a "lesser of two evils, he is usually branded by the media as an extermist.

Look, I've been hotrodding all my life, it's very important to me. I look at the Liberals and I see people who are anxious to take my hobby away. I don't see any anti-car Conservatives but there are lots of them of the Liberal persuasion. If you feel strongly about our hobby (and I assume you do if you belong to this group) than you should work to protect it and don't vote the car hating Liberals into office. Say what you want about being nice to each other and not talking politics but I'm going to vote in my best interest and fight like hell to keep those out of office who don't represent my interests.

very well put.

it is not about whether sombody is "liberal" or "conservative" it is about voting in the people that will do what WE want them to do and stand up for what WE believe in. the federal government has changed from serving the people to the people serving the government. be it through special interest groups or our elected officials lining their own pockets.

the main thing is get out and vote and if the people you helped get elected don't do what you want them to do, then FIRE them.

you are right on 20 - 30% of the voters deciding who gets elected because they are the ones that do not follow "party" lines. they use their right as an American citizen to think for themselves instead of depending on someone else to do it for them.

as for this topic on this forum being able to cause a separation of this group, stop and look at your family. you may not agree with all of your family members and they may not agree with you, but when it is all said and done you are still family. and i want to say i'm glad you and i can be part of this "el camino family".

heck, we don't always agree on how is the best way for someone to fix some problem that they may be having, but we all still try to help each other and if that aint "family" it just might be even better.

"friends" you can pick and family you can ignore, but thanks to aucath and some others we have a way to meet, discuss, and have fun...with our elkys and each other.

THANKS AUCATH, i know you don't hear that near enough. bob

Oh yeah, well Nixon hated El caminos! so there.


....kiddin..


:-D

My intent was not to post anymore on this subject, however just a couple of hours ago I viewed the beheading of an American 25 year old young man on the internet. I suggest anyone with a weak stomach not too view it!!! It's extremely barbaric and graphic, and much more than just a quick execution by beheading! I can stomach a lot after being in the military for 20 years. I DO NOT want to see it again...EVER!!! Things like this are going to continue to happen. If the Liberal Democrats succeed in the next election, we will have another 9-11, maybe numerous. It's obvious these people hate us, and don't see us as humans. I wouldn't kill any of Gods living creatures the way they executed that young man. Now is the time for Polticians to step up and do what they are being paid to do...lead this country...not whine and point fingers of blame as I am sure Kerry and the other Liberal Democrats will do by the end of today concerning the beheading of this poor young man! They will blame President Bush and his administation and of course our military. I can only imagine what this poor guys family is going through and hope they have not seen this! I believe we should retaliate fiecely, and show the people of Iraq and all other Islamic nations, that helping, harboring, or hiding any terrorists will no longer be tolerated by the people of the United States. If that means leveling entire towns or citys in Iraq or any other country, then so be it! If the Iraqi people do not want to turn over these murderers, (they know who they are) then let them die as well. Sorry, I had to vent my anger! :mad:

I too was extremely angered by that barbaric act. Anyone who thinks that we can reason with the extreme Islamic radicals is very stupid. And yet I am sure within a few days we will have politcal leaders and other left wingers apologizing and making excuses trying to transfer the blame to we Americans. Some people in our society cannot look at this act for what it is--half-crazed "men" acting in a purely evil way. The Islamic extremeists who perpetrated this horrific act need to be exterminated and all others like them have to be hunted down and killed.

To bad they were cowards and hide their faces behind hoods.

If the pacificists (left wingers) get enough power in this country, we will be attacked again and again on our home soil by terrorists. I am convinced terrorists beleive that pacifists do not have the grit to fight for anything or anybody, and they do believe most Americans are pacifists (paper tigers). They believe they can threaten to attack and get gobs of money. But that is not the way it works. Instead, after the pacifists pay them off, they attack anyway. Just ask the Saudis. If terrorists achieve enough success in the rest of the world, they will attack the Syrians and Iranians too. However, that would be in the end game once they have won everywhere else.

Today, even the terrorists holed up in the Gaza Strip is threatening us simply because we align ourselves with Israel against them. They had better be glad they are not doing to us what they are doing to Israel. What do you think would happen to Mexico or Canada if they were sending suicide bombers across the border and killing Americans? KABOOM!!! I cannot imagine why we do not tell Sharon that we support his anti terrorists actions in Plaestine and that he should feel free to go kill them all. In fact we should help him kill them.

I am convinced we must fight them somewhere. I much prefer fighting them in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Gaza Strip, France or anywhere but here. It's too bad we cannot put the leftist, pacifists out there to face the terrorists alone. It would be interesting to see how they react with no one to defend them (I would put Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd right up front to take their first hit).

Guys, it comes down to this. Vote for those who are most likely to commit troops to fight for our way of life. While education, insurance coverage, jobs, etc. are extremely important, survival comes first. Things have changed. Anyone who does not realize this is not facing reality.

After 911 you would think that most if not all Americans would realize how significant that horrific event was and yet more and more Americans are ignoring the lesson of 911. What will it take? an nuclear blast in one of our major cities that kills millions. Look at what happened today on most of the nations major newspapers and newscasts--the barbaric death of Nick Berg was virtually ignored but all the left wing politicians are being shocked even more by the events at Abu Ghraib. Those prisoners are not Boy Scouts, they were there because they are murderers, insurgents and torturers--they are not innocent! They were for the most part embarassed and harassed--not brutally murdered. Nick Berg was innocent and he was butchered. What is going on?

I agree with a lot of the stuff your saying, but

"Those prisoners are not Boy Scouts, they were there because they are murderers, insurgents and torturers--they are not innocent"

I don't believe that all the way, because the military even admitted that many of the people the arrest turn out to be innocent. I understand why they arrest themn though, if i was there, i would cuff anyone that looked at me the wrong way as to not get killed.

You make it sound like Pacifists are the great evil of our country. A pacifist can have their beliefs, just as anyone else, and still have pride and defend our country. Case in point, ever hear of Sgt. York, one of our greatest heroes of WWI. There are many others through the years that have been forgotten by history, but they were there. Yes we do need to defend our country and our way of life, but not by labeling a whole country or region's people as dangerous to us. If we did that then every young white veteran of the US military would be suspected as an agent against us, because of Timothy McVeigh!!!!!!!!!
As Bruce Springsteen said once "Never put full trust in your government"

i have not forgotten the lessons of 9/11 but if you dwel on those things and worry about another attack then the terrorists have one. and as far as this administrations "patriot act" i believe it was jefferson, or franklin or one of the other founders of our great counrty who said "he who gives up freedom for safety deserves niether." and that also goes for kerry who wants to take our guns away!!! ah!! thats it!! im voting NADER :lol:

I had something really profound to say but the reactionary wrecking ball seems to be swinging again so I'll just leave it alone....

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