hey guys.just thought I'd share something with you that you are not going to believe-I would never have believed it if I had'nt seen it for myself- last week my dad and I went down to the qualcomm stadium in san diego to check out some 1/8 mile racing and some guy in a new zo6 vette raced a neon -and lost!! the vette struggled for traction while the nearly stock neon turbo w/ aftermarket exhaust beat it from start to finish-twice!! needless to say the corvette owner was pissed. there was one el camino that ran pretty fast too and it didn't have much of a traction problem at all-it just hooked up and took off.

Yeah it's amazing what a 200HP turboed 2000lbs rice rocket can do against a 400HP 4000lbs sled with no traction. Not really suprising, bolt a turbo on your Elky and take it for a ride-or let it take you for a ride. 8)

Yeah it's amazing what a 200HP turboed 2000lbs rice rocket can do against a 400HP 4000lbs sled with no traction. Not really suprising, bolt a turbo on your Elky and take it for a ride-or let it take you for a ride. 8)

And the new SRT-4s have 260hp 8O

Throw some drag tires on that vette, and do it again, lol

It's also a matter of the drivers. If the Vette guy doesn't know how to drive he could have the fastest car in the world and still lose.

Very true. If they were doing a 1/4, then i think the driving in a vette wouldn't be as big of a deal.

Its a little like trying to race a Motorcycle in a car. You don't have a chance and its not even a matched competition. 1000 Lbs vs. 4000 Lbs or in the case of the "YECCH" Dodge Neon, what a POS, it's got the HP/Wt ratio in its favor. If the Vette or any other car for that matter spins the wheels then its just a lost cause. Give it up and get some road slicks that will catch or "Hook Up".

Its all about over coming the inertia necessary to move the weight your trying to propel. Large Differentials, big heavy tires, Stall converters miss matched to the power curve, Heavy chunky automatic transmissions loaded tool boxes, spare tires etc.. add to the challenge. Consider that for each action it is necessary for an equal and opposite re-action. So to move 4000 Lbs it takes 4000 Lbs of thrust, just to move it initially. Friction starts to play a big role so, improperly inflated tires and huge differentials, spongy torque converters make a difference. Then there is the unsprung weight, reactions times between the time the chassis starts moving and the time the body joins it and the reaction between them at that point.

I don't like ricers but they have the advantage at the gate. On the road it is a different story, a large V8 can deal with a lot more abuse and load for longer periods of time with less wear then a 4 banger or even a 6 banger. In the 8th of a mile your engine is probably only going to turn 500 to 900 (Normal fairly built V8 ) RPMs from start to stop. A 4 banger will wind up faster, shorter stroke/duration, smaller bore size yada, yada, yada. You figure at 5500 RPMs you'll be doing around 91/92 Revs per second. If you have a 10 sec, 1/8th time that is 910 revaluations from the time you get the green light to the end of the 1/8th. So there is not that much time to wind up. When you release the clutch or move the foot off the brake your RPMs will drop considerably, mostly because of the amount of weight you have to get rolling. So in reality beating a Ricer is more of a big deal than a lot of people know. Especially if it has been modified for more output.

Just a thought.

...So in reality beating a Ricer is more of a big deal than a lot of people know. Especially if it has been modified for more output.

good stuff Pete!

so true about that last post. Also, the aforementioned post about driver skills....personally I just use good old fashioned intimidation to back em down, since most ricers dont realize what they can do against me, and they see the 454 badging on the side...I just give them a 'Dont even think about it smirk' and keep going :lol:

another thing about the vette though, its no 4000 lb pig.

let him try it with one of these!
http://www.lingenfelter.com/LPEinmedia.asp

great video clips

And the new SRT-4s have 260hp

True, but it's still a Neon!

A base C5 Corvette is about 3200 lbs.

A Z06 is about 3050 lbs.

In the 1/8 mile a Vette should see at least 3rd gear and would have seen close to it's 6050rpm (stock) redline unless the driver was short shifting. If a manual he should be launching at no lower then 3000 rpm, an auto could go from an idle (500 rpm) or flash the converter up 2500~3000 rpm.

I take the 'heavy' Corvette anyday over the Neon. :lol:

And the new SRT-4s have 260hp

True, but it's still a Neon!

You'll never get past that point, but my dad and I took a test drive in one (we try to test drive all the new cars that seem interesting) and it does have a ton of rear leg room! Couldn't even fit 3rd passenger in the trunk of a 'vette :lol: (we had both a C4 and a C5) Another thing you can't get over is the annoying attemp at trying to make a 4 cylinder exhaust note sound good. (still sounds like a fat lazy locust to me) :lol:

personally, i think the srt-4's are kid of respectable. i mean the neon name brings abig womanly piece of crap to mind, but the srt-4 is none of it. the styling isnt the most attractive with the pig-looking front end, but its still a quick thing and what you can do with few upgrades is amazing. ifn fact my brother plans on getting one in the near future, getting an upgrade package, an dthen striping it of its srt-4 identity marks so it will appear as just a regular old ricer for a few months and take on afew vettes and such. those things can whip em with that upgrade. i think its an amusing idea. i mean sure you gotat have respect for teh vette and all, but that srt-4 has its own set of balls.

First off I never said a Corvette is a "Pig" I think that they are still the hottest Car manufactured today, bar none! I think Dodge products are crap no matter if your talking about a Neon or a Mercedes Benz, still crap. One is a tiny piece of crap and the other is German piece of crap. I've never seen a "Classic" Neon or Mercedes that I thought would whip any Classic American Muscle car's butt.

Yes I know the neon is not old enough to be considered "Classic" and when that time comes around they'll be disintegrating into powder because they are plastic cars with plastic parts. POS

I have an 86 Caviler Z24 that I'd almost put against any little stock ricer. Its not all that fast, stock engine 0-60 Mph, according to the book, in 8 seconds. Its a small 2.8L v-6 with a 4-speed transmission. My little Z Car is all stock just like it was on the showroom floor when I first purchased it. Pound for pound I'd bet it will beat most and hold its own against the rest. I use to "frequently" take down Dodge and Chrysler Chargers and the Turbo Shadows. I've even took some 6 banger Camaro and Firebirds in it.

Conversely, it will become a Classic and this particular model / style is already limited edition stuff. Dodge can't say that about the Neon.

So to re-cap a Corvette is not a Pig and I hate Doge Neons, just for the books.

ok so regular neons are crap and have always been, but a classic? why would any of those cars be"classics" ? and i thought we were discussin the srt-4, not just some regular one? i bet the srt-4 could take that z, no offense or anythin. but seriously, you seem so insulted or hard ont he topic, maybe we should chill a little? and as bad as it is, its not hard to beat a very heavy car such as ours, they dont exactly fly off the line or anythin. so a couple ricerstakin u here and there i wouldnt really care about, bc either way our cars are still very much more amazing and cooler than their craps, or cars i mean. :P

ok I'll be honest, I don't know a whole lot about cars. I know enough to fix my 86 elky if it breaks and I know what I like. I don't care what dodge does to its neons, they're always gunna fake cheap pieces of crap. And no matter what you do your never gunna get the sound my stock v8 305 gets.

ok I'll be honest, I don't know a whole lot about cars. I know enough to fix my 86 elky if it breaks and I know what I like. I don't care what dodge does to its neons, they're always gunna fake cheap pieces of crap. And no matter what you do your never gunna get the sound my stock v8 305 gets.

I don't care about what they do to their Neon either. What I do car a bout is the SRT-8 300 and Magnum that are coming out soon with about 450HP. That I care about :-D

I work for Chrysler---I don't care for the Neon, but the SRT-4 will whoop azz on most cars out there. The SRT-8 IS going to whoop azz on everything out there. Dodge/Chrysler may not have a good name during the Lee Iacocca days but within the next year ALOT of folks are going to change their minds. They have some pretty exciting stuff coming out. 12 second 1/4 mile times are going to be the standard for all the line up of cars AND trucks (that V10 Viper truck is going to be much more affordable and much more common). Pretty much all cars are going to have a turbo or supercharger option, for sure the Crossfire, 300C, Magnum, Neon, (new Charger-shh), and Jeep Grand Cherokee (not out yet). Have an open mind and go drive the new 300C, I guarantee you will be very impressed.

I raced a black srt-4 the other day. I gotta say that the thing hung in their pretty well. I've got a 402 that will eaisly take mustangs and camaros from the start. I've gotta say I was worried there for a second but in the end i beat him to the next light.

what might a birdie tell me about a new charger?
PM's welcome!

what might a birdie tell me about a new charger?
PM's welcome!

The new Charger better have the right styling unlike the "GTO" if you can call it that. I prefer Holden Montero (I hope I'm thinking of the right car or the anger in the post is blown :lol: ) Other than that 80elcamino, the SRT-4s do 0-60 in 5.2 supposedly so your car must be pretty quick! Does it really do those times in your signature? (I guess the answer is yes or why would they be there!:sigh: )

With a nitrious kit, yes it did. Since then I've removed it. so yes my car has done those times but wouldn't now. I was still ale to keep up with this Neon W/O it!

hey man dont be doggin on dodge so much they have amde there mistakes but so has chevy and ford i ahve a freind that drives a 74 coronet custom its pretty bad ass for a 4 door car.