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Old 01-02-2017, 06:24 PM
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Ok this is the deal .i picked up this 65 vet motor..it's got camel back heads..polished crank ..very low miles the cills mike out great .got the KB Pistons .hade the heads dun 202s all fresh ..my Q is should I go with the old school carb or FI...and I am running a duntov set up..a 303 duntove
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Old 01-02-2017, 06:29 PM
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Sorry bout that guys ...I have allways run mopar.im new a Chevy guy ...but I love them all
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BTW I am running 4 speed...
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You may find this interesting. After seeing this, I wished I could afford fuel injection!

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Ok this is the deal .i picked up this 65 vet motor..it's got camel back heads..polished crank ..very low miles the cills mike out great .got the KB Pistons .hade the heads dun 202s all fresh ..my Q is should I go with the old school carb or FI...and I am running a duntov set up..a 303 duntove
Save your money go carb. and tune it with an Auto Meter Wide Band A/F Gauge and a Vacuum Gauge.

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Not trying to burst any bubbles, just it always amazes me how many 'vette' motors there are out there for sale. There are more 'vette' motors out there than there were 'vettes'!!! Assuming this one had the stamping on the pad that verifies it really a L84 solid lifter FI motor that went into vettes...

So what we got if it is truely a 1965 L84 motor the ID pad will verify. Lets assume you have traced the stamping and casting clock and verified....
What we got is a Early small journal forged crank( good) , rods with the small rod bolts (bad), and sounds like someone has replaced the TRW 11:1 forged pistons with a set of KB pistons. (IMO could be VERY bad)
Have you verified the deck clearance?? MANY of the builder KB pistons are a reduced pin height putting the piston 0.040"+ down the hole, and leave a 0.080 - 0.120"+ quench even with a 0.020" steel shim head gasket.
None of the early small journal blocks are 4 bolt, but that is of minor concequence for practical use (street)

L76, L79, L84,,, these WERE some of the most powerfull smallblocks (HP to cubic inches) to come out of Detroit for many decades to come. BUT running 11:1 compression today with unleaded crap fuel available isn't gonna be fun. And reducing the compression with a piston swap is going to KILL the HP. The L84 solid cam is intended for 4000-6500 RPM really intended for road-racing, and high RPM use (not real street happy)

What have you verified in stamping and casting numbers that tells us what we are working with? I'll be honest,, if it truely IS a 65 L84 motor,, I'd sell that thing to a Corvette restorer and take the bucks and go buy a motor more fitting to todays fuels and street driving.

But that's just me. Your mileage may vary.
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Not trying to burst any bubbles, just it always amazes me how many 'vette' motors there are out there for sale. There are more 'vette' motors out there than there were 'vettes'!!! Assuming this one had the stamping on the pad that verifies it really a L84 solid lifter FI motor that went into vettes...

So what we got if it is truely a 1965 L84 motor the ID pad will verify. Lets assume you have traced the stamping and casting clock and verified....
What we got is a Early small journal forged crank( good) , rods with the small rod bolts (bad), and sounds like someone has replaced the TRW 11:1 forged pistons with a set of KB pistons. (IMO could be VERY bad)
Have you verified the deck clearance?? MANY of the builder KB pistons are a reduced pin height putting the piston 0.040"+ down the hole, and leave a 0.080 - 0.120"+ quench even with a 0.020" steel shim head gasket.
None of the early small journal blocks are 4 bolt, but that is of minor concequence for practical use (street)

L76, L79, L84,,, these WERE some of the most powerfull smallblocks (HP to cubic inches) to come out of Detroit for many decades to come. BUT running 11:1 compression today with unleaded crap fuel available isn't gonna be fun. And reducing the compression with a piston swap is going to KILL the HP. The L84 solid cam is intended for 4000-6500 RPM really intended for road-racing, and high RPM use (not real street happy)

What have you verified in stamping and casting numbers that tells us what we are working with? I'll be honest,, if it truely IS a 65 L84 motor,, I'd sell that thing to a Corvette restorer and take the bucks and go buy a motor more fitting to todays fuels and street driving.

But that's just me. Your mileage may vary.
Back in the mid 60's Honest Charley sold FI short blocks for around 250 and 202 heads for 100 bucks. No, they weren't out of a vette but....
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Just for reading pleasure, I wanted to give a little input. A few years ago I traded my 406 ATK dirt bike (after it back fired and threw me over the handlebars, fracturing my heel and spraining my ankle... 406 2-stroke is no joke) for a 1969 Med. journal 327 short block. I didn't get the original 461 heads as they had been used on one of his late models, but he gave me three 370 heads (Pontiac 300hp/350 heads, used in the Chevy powered Firebirds). I did get the original 461 high-rise intake, and it still has a Duntov 30/30 cam in it. I also have an original Holley 770cfm Vac, secondary, but I think I'll use the 850cfm Carter Quadra-Jet I recently overhauled.
I plan to build this engine for my 77 Elky. Will need a lot more stall and have to go much lower in my rear gear than I've had for a daily driver. The biggest thing keeping me from starting the build is the cost of the pistons. I plan to shoot some nitrous to it, so forged is a must. I have not found flat-tops with the required 1.675 compression height, I'll have to opt for 7.5cc domes to keep the 11:1 compression as factory. I want to keep it as near original as possible. In it's day, this was a 365hp monster of a small block.
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...A few years ago I traded my 406 ATK dirt bike (after it back fired and threw me over the handlebars, fracturing my heel and spraining my ankle...
Didn't mommy tell you to kick through and hold kicker down till it either starts or finishes motion?
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I'm testing my memory here. I think the really good Duntov cam part number ended in 098. Local Chevy parts dept could not keep them in stock. The valve setting was 8 & 16. it really had that thump, thump, thump sound. I later ran the 30/30 cam. I didn't care for it at all! switched back....
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