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Old 11-07-2019, 03:55 AM
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I finally got my first el camino 1972 SS 454 BB and I have a big problem.
The doors don't have any door handles, someone cleaned them out, closed the holes and painted over.
In my country (Luxemburg/Europe) this is not allowed, which I did not know of course because it does not make sense to me not to allow this.
Anyway, now I need to make a decision, buy handles+locks and make simple holes and reconnect the opening mechanism, which will be difficult for me because if i look at the door from inside, it is not possible to make a hole where the handles are without removing the entire inside steel frame of the door...or option 2, get two other doors..which will also be difficult to find here in europe..if i buy them in the US it will probably cost me a small fortune because of the weight and import fees...


So as you can see my situation is a bit ****ty since i have no other car for the moment.
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Old 11-07-2019, 12:16 PM
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welcome Scorpius
what about an electric push button on the door for entry ??
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Old 11-07-2019, 06:21 PM
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so did someone shave the door handles? if so you may want to try talking to a local shop first that does inspections if that is your issue. i know i had people tell my 78 would not pass a safety with shaved door handles but my moms mechanic who does safeties said it was fine as long as i had a remote or some way of opening the doors from the outside. they can be a big pain in the A$S but do look pretty cool and make it a bit trickier for someone to steal your vehicle or even get into it. i know i got to take my doors apart and possibly clean the latch and maybe oil the solenoid to make it start working properly all the time again.
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Old 11-07-2019, 07:15 PM
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as crazywolfie points out, it's a good idea to have a pull-cable hidden somewhere anyway. as for safety inspection, they've got weird ideas of what constitutes 'safe' here in Texas. you could literally drive around with a smashed-up windshield and pass 'safety inspection' but gdforbid your tint on the front windows is too dark or your hi-beam indicator doesn't work
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Old 11-08-2019, 03:55 AM
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so did someone shave the door handles? if so you may want to try talking to a local shop first that does inspections if that is your issue. i know i had people tell my 78 would not pass a safety with shaved door handles but my moms mechanic who does safeties said it was fine as long as i had a remote or some way of opening the doors from the outside. they can be a big pain in the A$S but do look pretty cool and make it a bit trickier for someone to steal your vehicle or even get into it. i know i got to take my doors apart and possibly clean the latch and maybe oil the solenoid to make it start working properly all the time again.



Hello crazywolfie and cyberray, Yes someone shaved the door handles and yes i also have a hidden pull cable to open the door. And since 2 days i am not able to open the door anymore with the electrical button on my key. I can hear the sound of the mechansim which is suppose to open the door, but both doors do not open anymore (except with the pull calbe and from the inside). So you are saying that i need to take apart the door an clean the mechanism ?

The official inspector of my car said that there needs to be a way to open the door (both sides) for someone outside to open it, in case i passed out or something and and need to take me out of the car..i think this is a poor argument because in most of the cases where an accident happens for example, the doors don't even open anymore and the windows has to be smashed anyway...


So you think think that if a local shop inspection says that it's fine for them that i will get a official permission to drive ?
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I would try to open the holes up..

Shaving those beautiful chrome door handles is one of the most idiotic things the artsy fartsy gang does to a car during the mutilation process that's called a custom.. YUCK!
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if you can hear the solenoids click but doors not open then yes the latch mechanism may need to be cleaned and oiled and solenoid may need to be oiled. when i first got my elcamino i was opening it with coat hangers since i didn't know where the emergency door cable was and solenoids were not working. cleaning/oiling them seemed to last about 2 years but was using cheaper lubricating oils back then.

i am not sure how inspections work where you are but sometimes talking to a shop that does the inspections can help find a solutions since i would assume the car was plated for use on the road before you bought it. some inspections stations might be pickier than others. 1 place was complaining about the worn rubber brake pedal pad, no sun visors and cracked grill on my buddies truck. took it to a local shop i liked dealing with and it passed with flying colors.
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x2 on the lube, check the door latch for lube too,,
sometimes they need cleaning the old grease/dirt out and re-greased..
and sometimes the solenoids are just too small, and don't work as good as bigger ones do..


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Thanks everyone for the Tips.
I've been trying to find 2 doors but without luck, as i said it's difficult here in europe to find them.


So I think i will try the other option and reconnect the handles to the mechanism, just need to find them. Does somebody have some pictures of the interior of the door that shows the mechanism that connects the door handles and locks with the door opening mechanism, to be sure that i buy all the needed parts and also to know how to connect all the stuff together ?


I would appreciate.
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I'm trying to figure out what parts i need to reconstruct the Door handle mechanism + the key lock and knob mechansim.



These are the parts i found for my 72 el camino :


https://www.ss396.com/part/RLR-066.html
http://www.championclassicauto.com/7...h-p-14348.html
http://www.championclassicauto.com/7...h-p-14331.html



Could someone confirm me if these are the correct parts and if i'm missing some parts (Except from the door handles and the key lock) ?
Does anybody have experience with this ?

Is it a big deal to do this or is it better to pay more and get an assembled door ?


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1st link is for a Nova, Camaro..
2nd- 3rd is for a pickup truck..
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look here
https://www.ss396.com/el-camino/RDL-...mino&year=1972
https://www.ss396.com/el-camino/MPX-...mino&year=1972
https://www.ss396.com/el-camino/MPX-...mino&year=1972
https://www.ss396.com/el-camino/LDL-...mino&year=1972
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http://www.championclassicauto.com/d...4651_4676.html
http://www.championclassicauto.com/e...4716_4713.html
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Thanks man !
The handles and locks are not hard to find and the door latch is still in my door since i am able to open the door with the handle from the inside of the car.
What i am actually looking for is the rod system for the knob, the key lock and the outside door handle.
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the out side handle may come with all it needs,, I cant remember on a 72
but the 4-5inch rod that comes with some, to the latch maybe all that's needed for that..
we'll see if someone can check that ???
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usually if I can find these clips, I would just bend up some welding rods to fit,,
they just need a 90* bend on each end..
https://www.opgi.com/keys-locks/inte...y-ch30530.html
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these kind are a little harder, they need a grove around the rod, or really just on 2 sides,
to keep the clip from sliding off.. but it can be done with a sharp file..
if you make up 2 90* ends that are cut apart, its easyer to judge the length you need..
https://www.elcaminostore.com/el-cam...ent-clips.html
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these go on the outside door lock cylinder,
I don't remember how they attach, with a clip or special rodend, like a Z bend ??
I know they have to push and pull the lockrod to the latch..
https://www.opgi.com/keys-locks/exte...t-cal1108.html
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a factory assm manual may be worth it, if you plan to keep the Cruk..
https://www.opgi.com/books/service-m...o-aa0f148.html
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That is some helpful information. I was also asking myself if i could just take a random welding rod and bend it how i need to, I will give it a try if i cant find them.

The manual is a great idea and i will get me one for sure!


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Does anybody know if the inner door rod/lock system from the el camino 1972 is identical to the one from the chevelle 1972 ?
Because it seems to be easier to find them for the chevelle than for the el camino..


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