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With the technological advances made in ignition, and fuel delivery systems in the last dozen or so years,90% of the "emission controls" installed on new cars are unnecessary and rob fuel mileage. Several years ago,my father bought a new car.The first thing he did was disable the smog crap(remove) and have the local shop install custom dual exhaust on it.When it came time to sell it,(Calif requires the seller to provide a smog check) it passed the emissions test with numbers so low you wouldn't believe it,better than most "smog compliant" cars. BUT,The insp. shop told my dad that they couldn't pass the car because the state mandated smog CRAP wasn't there.It's just a racket to line the pockets of politicians and "special interests". :x
 

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I wouldn't worry too much about the proposed bill, guys.
There are these kind of bills every session but the fact is there are too many problems to overcome for CA to revert to the old testing age standards.
Like... unavailable parts, old retrofit NOx and crankcase devises pre-existing or not, lack of reliable standards for aftermarket add-ons, not to mention the low income sector and lack of funds to buy out "gross-polluting" low income vehicles. The list goes on and on.

My opinion....
Chill out.


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I have to agree......

Sharp71 said:
I wouldn't worry too much about the proposed bill, guys.
There are these kind of bills every session but the fact is there are too many problems to overcome for CA to revert to the old testing age standards.
Like... unavailable parts, old retrofit NOx and crankcase devises pre-existing or not, lack of reliable standards for aftermarket add-ons, not to mention the low income sector and lack of funds to buy out "gross-polluting" low income vehicles. The list goes on and on.

My opinion....
Chill out.


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I have to agree with Danny / Shapr71. Come to mention it, how many bills in the past that were summitted for a vote and never hurd from again,,,,
Many, for too many.
I agree with ya'all, lets just don't panic and jsut see what the real truth is..

I for one can't afford to go out and purchase a some what new ride, and, I really don't think the State of California is going to buy me out either...

I'm ready for the Battle, if ya want to call it that...

Hang in there people, there's strenght in numbers...."I AM THE POWER OF 1"

James84Elky
said that......
 

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Sharp71 said:
I wouldn't worry too much about the proposed bill, guys.
There are these kind of bills every session but the fact is there are too many problems to overcome for CA to revert to the old testing age standards.
Like... unavailable parts, old retrofit NOx and crankcase devises pre-existing or not, lack of reliable standards for aftermarket add-ons, not to mention the low income sector and lack of funds to buy out "gross-polluting" low income vehicles. The list goes on and on.

My opinion....
Chill out.


DANNY
I'm PO'ed about what they've already done.

I got such a hassle at emissions this year that I came about a hairs breath from flattening the fat a$$ emissions moron that was disturbing me. Long story short he threatened to call the cops on me if I didn't leave...I smelled urine coming from his direction too....oops...sorry mr beauraucrat.....

Anyway, I went to another "official" testing station and had no issues at all.

I hafta tell you though, the trip from the first testing station to the last one was spent considering the sale of my Elky if I had the same kind of hassle. Normally I wouldn't waste my time with such thoughts but this kinda crap is just one more thing I don't need in my life.

They are misguided idiots, however well meaning they think they are..
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The thing that worries me most is the fact that the politicians are never satisfied with what they have. They are always looking for ways to "improve" the emissions levels. "Improve" = get more money from you and I. Just think how difficult it would be to pass emissions if the bar is raised higher and higher. I suspect that will happen pretty soon and it may already be underway in Calfiornia.

In my county, emissions testing has been underway for just a couple of months. Failure rate is reported to be 9% of the vehicles tested. Repair facilities such as Pep Boys, Maxi Muffler, etc. reported that 7 to 9 vehicles per week are showing up for repairs because they failed the test. Vehicle owners have said some repairs are running over $600 per vehicle.

A couple of years down the road, when fewer vehicles fail the test, I suspect the requirements will get more stringent because results of the program will prove less beneficial than predicted. There's no way that bringing 9% of the vehicles into compliance will lower emissions enough to achieve the goal. That will be the excuse for raising requirements. Guys, the door has been opened. Hold onto your hats because you have not seen the worst yet. Meanwhile the big trucks continue to belch big clouds of black smoke as they go merrily along their way.

Incidentally, the Tennessee Valley Authority recently agreed to spend over one billion dollars to clean up some of their coal fired generating facilities.
 

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You're right, Spoonplugger... The good intentions quickly become an industry reliant on your/my $$$.
Here in The Great State of California, we have been testing vehicle emissions since 1974, in one way or another.
We have always juuuust missed the projected goals of the respective test/repair program.
Of course, that means a "new and improved" program with the inevitable cost increases.

I do believe in clean car, clean air.

I do believe we should all pay more attention to the way our vehicles run.

I'm very concerned on who is running the ship and where we are headed.
 

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elcamino74guy said:
I got such a hassle at emissions this year that I came about a hairs breath from flattening the fat a$$ emissions moron that was disturbing me. Long story short he threatened to call the cops on me if I didn't leave.
I would like to suggest that you do the ONE thing that all petty bureaucrats hate ... file a complaint against him for "misuse of authority". These people are paid to do a job. There is absolutely no reason that they have to hassle you.

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The thing that worries me most is the fact that the politicians are never satisfied with what they have. They are always looking for ways to "improve" the emissions levels. "Improve" = get more money from you and I. Just think how difficult it would be to pass emissions if the bar is raised higher and higher. I suspect that will happen pretty soon and it may already be underway in Calfiornia.
The driving force behind this is that the number of people, cars and stinking factories continues to climb. Politicians call this "progress". They consider the air polution created by this to be a problem (they're right), and try to fix it in ways that won't get them kicked out of office.

I think that the solution would be to remove the ability for companies to trade 'pollution credit'. This allows a company that runs cleanly to transfer it's ability to pollute to another company. If this trading were to cease, they'd ALL have to meet the air quality standards. Of course, the polluting companies will force ANY politician who suggests this out of office, so none of them bother to try.

It's too bad we can't trade pollution credits on cars.

WRT a "clean" engine vs. a high performance engine, why not choose components that allow both? They exist. Buying CARB certified parts shows the manufacturers that there are people who want to be able to breathe clean air, and who are willing to pay for the ability to do so.

I'm currently planning a engine replacement for my '74. Clean burning is one of the goals. It doesn't cost all that much, and it helps in the long run.
 

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One thing about calif smog laws,they are not standard across the state.I live in what's considered a "low impact" county that has a lower population ,and have not had to have a smog test done on ANY of my vehicles in 20 years,including cars I've owned that were newer than '86. Though smog tests are still required when you initially buy and register a car, UNLESS you buy the car from a "family member" or relative. This is simply a matter of your statement that it was purchased , or a gift from a relative.
 

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'' CORN BURNERS IN MINN.''

Thats right ''corn burners'' the great state of Minnesota just passed a law that mandates that all gasoline sold by 2013 must have 20% ethanol ( thats 40 proof) this to help in air quailty and to help our ''poor farmers'' get rid of there corn---by the year 2014 the only thing running at our drag strips will be John Deere's---Internationals Harvester's and a few Ford garden tractors and Iam not talk'en about tractor pulls. This stuff is hard on carb gaskets, fuel injectors and fuel pumps---SO don't complain to loud you could become CORN BURNERS---LOL
 

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Well, up until earlier this year Arizona was still selling MTBE blended gas in all grades. This is the same stuff that was outlawed in 20 states for causing cancer and contaminating ground water supplies. It also smelled really bad and added about .10 per gallon to the price of fuel.

So we get slowly poisoned at every fillup, pay extra for the privilege and screw up the ground water supply in a state that consists of 85% desert with less than 6 inches of rainfall a year.

And our state legislators actually fought getting rid of it until they found out it was going to start hitting some of the more obese wallets that live around here after a gasoline pipeline broke that went from Tucson to Phoenix.


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Here in Nevada even if you bring them a smog cert saying you passed , they resmog it on thier machine, (Which of coarse will fail an ant if it farts).Don't know about other states, but here after you get your Classic Vehicle to pass (or spend 450.00 to ,of coarse a state certified shop)you can drive it up to but not more than 2500 miles a year without having to smog it again.You do have to go to the D.M.V. so they can verify the mileage.
 

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My friend and I prepared his 88 chevy work truck for the smog test. Tune up, all new filters, 02 sensor, etc. Then, we siphoned the gasoline out of the tank, replaced it with 2 gallons of unleaded 106 octane racing fuel and added two bottles of heet.

Test results: HC: 6 PPM Limit: 220
CO: 0 % Limit 1.20
CO2: 14.72% No limit established
 

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I just heard a rumor that AZ may finally be bringing back the rolling exemption for cars 15 years or older. I guess the video tape of me
making the emissions guy pee his pants at the emissions test station last renewal time had an effect!

We'll see come next May when my tags are due.

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I see that the last post here is 5 years old, so don't flame me for posting, but now chevy offers a 50 state smog legal LS2 crate engine that makes 400 hp out of the box. Not exactly cheap, but plenty of H.P. and clean burning. 400 horses are more than any car I have owned, and I'd very much like to have one in my 86 1/2 ton. http://paceperformance.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=265464
 

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I like your thinking, I have a 84 El and wanted to change to a Corvette engine I was given, niumberce Lt1 but after running the nunbers and calif testing station, big cost!!!.
What I'm trying to do is put a nice 350 290hp from chevy, alot cheaper, and change over the carb and other smog stuff every two years. Does anyone know anybody that has done this?
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I see that the last post here is 5 years old, so don't flame me for posting, but now chevy offers a 50 state smog legal LS2 crate engine that makes 400 hp out of the box. Not exactly cheap, but plenty of H.P. and clean burning. 400 horses are more than any car I have owned, and I'd very much like to have one in my 86 1/2 ton. http://paceperformance.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=265464
I don't know about Texas but I'm sure you couldn't just take that engine and drop it in your 86 and just cruise in to the smog station in California and pass smog. Many more hoops you'd have to jump through. Read the rules on the DMV web site about vehicles that have had engine transplants and what smog equipment woule be required on them. Generally speaking, to be 'legal', you'd have the put the emissions equipment on it that was on your 86 1/2 ton. How would you like to have to put a smog pump on that LS2? My 2005 GTO came with a 50 state smog legal 400 HP LS2, but it's legal in a 2005 GTO. California is just screwed up that way....well that's only one of the ways
 

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ca engine change laws are easy to work with. it has to be the same year or newer,car engines in cars.no truck engines in cars. the engine will need the equiptment required for the transplanted engine. if the newer engine didnt use an air pump it isnt required to have. when it passes the ref he will put a new emission lable on it to now smog you say 82 elco as a 05 gto ls2. be aware that obd2 engine swaps require the correct trans that originally came with the newer motor. obd1 conversions can use any trans. i used to work for a shop that specialized in smog legal conversions. there is a lot involved in the systems on the newer cars engines. so the newer you go the harder it becomes but is doable. no politics involved just makng sure if you do a change that you do it right and not a mickey mouse job. ca. is about clean air and have lived there for over 30 yrs ,trust me they have good reason.you can have your smog legal hot rods in ca. if you are willing to do it right
 
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