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According to the Dec. 2020 issue of Hemmings Magazine ( page 15 ) , in Sept. the Calif. governor signed an executive order directing the Air Resources Board to establish regulations on the banning the sales of new gasoline powered vehicles and light trucks within Calif. as of 2023 . The article states that it will not prevent the ownership or selling of used gas powered vehicles . Moving forward , it will be interesting to see what actually transpires .
 

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Used gasoline powered cars will be very expensive for the people who don’t (or can’t) flee the Republik of Kalifornistan. The state will probably have to ask for federal money to subsidize electric cars, power grid improvements, mass transit and the poor people who’ve gone broke paying out the nose just to live there while government denies it created the problem (like they’re trying to do now for firefighting, claiming that three decades of bad forest management didn’t cause the wildfires, ‘climate change’ did).
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I remember reading back when this was announced that several lawsuits have already been filed to challenge this. It seems to be more of a publicity stunt as I doubt they'll actually be able to get away with it.
 

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That would be interesting. The Declaration of Independence, and the U.S. Constitution infer that we have the free right to conduct interstate commerce. The individual States may curtail parts of that commerce, but they can't totally forbid it (unless we end up voting ourselves into becoming a Socialist or Communistic country). And who knows what things will be like in 15 years anyway?, we might all naturally be buying non-petrol fueled vehicles, only having petrol for the "classics" and "antiques".
 

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The most likely result will be more affordable battery operated and fuel cell vehicles that are not overpriced by large amounts of junk technology.
As the date approaches and more choices arrive, the prices will come down.
 

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Here is food for thought. I happen to live in the Bay Area, home of Tesla. They have been producing tons of units over the last two years and it is actually common place to see several manufacturer's full electric cars rolling down the road. Many sparcely populated states or areas might not be aware of the the issues we face in the larger metro areas but, car emissions are real and really nasty. I can say with 100% assurance that when the pandemic ordered everyone to stay at home and the freeways cleared out, the air quality instantly went clean. It was quite shockling to see actually. And we have had clean air all summer until the wild fires blackened the sky. The climate is changing folks. Denying that fact is only lying to yourself. Embrace the future people or perish in your denial.
 

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When it is all said and done, the transition will happen naturally as the economics change.
Just like coal will continue to fade, it is just not the best energy source for the future.
Probably the majority of those participating on this forum are to old to be around long enough to see it all come to pass.
Prepare for the future for it will not wait for you.
 

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I'm not opposed to electric cars as much as I like V8 powered rides. Its definitely interesting seeing stripped out Teslas at the drag strip being the fastest thing there, and even GM has been teasing an electric crate motor for the last few years. I just think with how the current automotive landscape is, it just doesn't seem feasible for California to transition to fully electric for any reasonable cost in the relatively near future.
 

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I'm not opposed to electric cars as much as I like V8 powered rides. Its definitely interesting seeing stripped out Teslas at the drag strip being the fastest thing there, and even GM has been teasing an electric crate motor for the last few years. I just think with how the current automotive landscape is, it just doesn't seem feasible for California to transition to fully electric for any reasonable cost in the relatively near future.
There is no arguement against the difference in pure HP and torque between an electric vs. gasoline motor. The biggest problem is the battery and charging times. If that ever gets solved, well (biggest problem).......people gonna be driving electric cars. I had an interesting conversation come up from one of my younger co-workers at the dealership. He said he told another young tech that one day when they are my age running their LS powered cars down the strip there will be a new generation blowing them away with their electric cars and they will feel like they are the ancient geezers! Gotta love a smart youngun!

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There is no arguement against the difference in pure HP and torque between an electric vs. gasoline motor. The biggest problem is the battery and charging times. If that ever gets solved, well (biggest problem).......people gonna be driving electric cars. I had an interesting conversation come up from one of my younger co-workers at the dealership. He said he told another young tech that one day when they are my age running their LS powered cars down the strip there will be a new generation blowing them away with their electric cars and they will feel like they are the ancient geezers! Gotta love a smart youngun!

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My wife drives a Toyota Prius Prime (Plugin electric hybrid), and I have to tell you - it's actually disappointing when the gas engine kicks in (when batteries run down) because the electric power is so smooth and responsive it's unreal! This coming from a V8 muscle car owner from a way back!
 

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My wife drives a Toyota Prius Prime (Plugin electric hybrid), and I have to tell you - it's actually disappointing when the gas engine kicks in (when batteries run down) because the electric power is so smooth and responsive it's unreal! This coming from a V8 muscle car owner from a way back!
oh yeah, know what you mean. bought the wife a car just before COVID hit cuz we got a killer deal on it. a 2017 Hyundai Sonata Limited hybrid. got all the bells and whistles, memory seating/settings, Certified Pre-Owned. Comfortable to drive, great pickup power and acceleration, gets 38-40mpg around town! Haven't taken any road trips yet but will in a couple months.

Rented an Infiniti on a vacation a few years ago, had that Start/Stop function. very annoying and clunky.
 

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According to the Dec. 2020 issue of Hemmings Magazine ( page 15 ) , in Sept. the Calif. governor signed an executive order directing the Air Resources Board to establish regulations on the banning the sales of new gasoline powered vehicles and light trucks within Calif. as of 2023 . The article states that it will not prevent the ownership or selling of used gas powered vehicles . Moving forward , it will be interesting to see what actually transpires .
Lenny , I read a similar story online that said 2035 so that would be 15 more years , I don't think electric car is ready for that ,too many problems , fires , disposal of batteries , high cost of electric cars , only the superrich can afford one now , plus short range & lack of charging stations on the highways .
 

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As far as I'm concerned, Tesla is the only company who has been able to reliably produce decent electric cars for any semblance of reasonable cost, and they're still out of the price range of most. There are Teslas on the road with 150k+ now on their original battery packs. The problem I believe is more the motors lasting that long as opposed to the batteries. Supposedly in the next 2 years or so they're supposed to roll out a new battery architecture that should drastically increase range and reduce cost of manufacture as well. They may be the "enemy" of classic muscle but they are an American company that's enthusiastic about performance so they have my support. If you guys want to see what those cars can do for performance, Randy Pobst raced a modified Model 3 at Pike's Peak this year and his run is posted up on Youtube.
 

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I'm not opposed to electric cars as much as I like V8 powered rides. Its definitely interesting seeing stripped out Teslas at the drag strip being the fastest thing there, and even GM has been teasing an electric crate motor for the last few years. I just think with how the current automotive landscape is, it just doesn't seem feasible for California to transition to fully electric for any reasonable cost in the relatively near future.
Good luck charging your car in summer when rolling blackouts are prevalent....
 

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Have you seen the Rivian pickup slinging mud all over the neighborhood with its tank turn? All the good ole boys who see that are gonna want one. :p
 

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Good luck charging your car in summer when rolling blackouts are prevalent....
Unless you're driving 300+ miles every day to the point that it needs to be charged every night then I doubt it would be a problem. Plenty of people in my area have Teslas and live in apartments without chargers. They just go to the local Tesla charging station once a week or so, have a meal inside for 45 minutes and are on their merry way.
 

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2035 , many of us would have or would be leaving the Planet . Boy a electric crate swap would be cool . Affordable ?
What about research on that "Mr.Fusion" accessary that I saw in a movie once.That came out of California didnt it.
Liquid fuel will come with a price , Ration cards , odd even days for having car shows? like watering the lawn??,Total Bans never work , remember Prohibition? lets enjoy what we have. "WWJLD".
What will Jay Leno do?
 

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If you haven't stopped by a Tesla dealer to see how those cars work, you should, and you will be impressed. For basic transportation, electrics will be fine.
I am not a Californian, but I was surprised at the governor's order. Last scenario I heard was to add a carbon tax to our gasoline at 35 cents per gallon and keep increasing it until everybody has choked and changed to electric. It was not clearly explained in the US, but that is what the riots were about in Paris about a year ago.
 

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[QUOTE="Lenny Carey, post: 2537675, member: 5801"
If you haven't stopped by a Tesla dealer to see how those cars work, you should, and you will be impressed. For basic transportation, electrics will be fine.
I am not a Californian, but I was surprised at the governor's order. Last scenario I heard was to add a carbon tax to our gasoline at 35 cents per gallon and keep increasing it until everybody has choked and changed to electric. It was not clearly explained in the US, but that is what the riots were about in Paris about a year ago.
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Then they will tax you by the car or miles you drive. They can’t give up the revenue from gas tax. What $ are they going to use to repair and build roads with.
 
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