[dmatre]

Want to get a set of the Cragar 61C SS wheels for my '84. Before I place an order wanted to make sure I had the right size and best price. This is what I found based on the research I have done so far: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRR-61714.

The back spacing is only .125" more than what I have determined to be stock, so I'm thinking that shouldn't be a problem, please correct me if I'm wrong.

I want to stay with the 14 x 7, because I have two like new and two new BFG Radial T/As on my current rally wheels.

Is 5 x 4.75 the correct bolt pattern?

Will the 7/16" x 20 closed lugs (pn/277214-4) work with the stock studs?

Does any one know of a source with a better price, this was the best I could find?

Thanks,
Don

 

[MikesElco94]

5x4.75 is the correct bolt pattern. Check your wheel studs, and see if the top is stamped with an M for metric, or an S for standard. My 86' studs are stamped with an M and use a metric lug, but when I swapped to a different rear the studs were stamped S and I had to get 7/16" lugs for it, I know they will work with your studs if they are in fact standard studs. I am unsure of what the metric size for the metric lugs are. Although you probably know, the stock wheels are 14x6, as long as your not running a real skinny tire they should look really nice on those rims. Can't help you with the other questions, good luck with your purchase.:beer:

 

[rnhart3]

X2 on the 5 X 4.75
84 should be metric, 12X1.50

 

[el meenoo]

84 should be metric lugs not 7/16

 

[EdontheBeach]

stock backset on the 84 ralley is 3.5" - i have 4" backspace on my cragars with plenty of room 4.125 should be no problem at all

 

[dmatre]

Thanks for the replies. I have 215x70 14 tires, I was thinking the rally wheels were 14x7. Will check the studs for the "m" or "s" stamp.

 

[EdontheBeach]

they are 14X6 - this has a lot of info for you

http://www.gmheritagecenter.com/gm-heritage-archive/vehicle-information-kits.html

 

[dmatre]

Pulled a couple of center caps this morning, there is an M stamped on the end of a couple of the studs so I am going to assume, ( I know bad practice) that they are stock. I have verified at a couple of sites that the stock are indeed 12mmx1.5. Checked Cragar's site for the correct lug nuts and they are a 12mmx1.5 shank seat lug with a washer and Summit has them, so it looks like I'm all set. Thanks, for the input.

 

[dmatre]

Ordered the wheels and lugs from Summit.

Had them installed yesterday. Test fitted a wheel on front and back before mounting the tires. The inside front of the wheel was very close to the edge of the tie rod end on the front, but it didn't touch and the wheel turned with no rub when turned fully to the left or right.

On the rear they were touching the drum weights so they didn't not sit level. We chiseled the weights off and they fit well. They didn't have the equipment to balance the wheels and drums as a unit. One of the techs said he had done it several times on Montes and never had a problem. I haven't noticed any vibration, but I figure if it becomes a problem, I can always take them some where that has the equipment and have them rebalanced with the drums attached.

After all of that and various opinions and speculation, especially on whether the tire was going to rub on the front, we mounted one tire and test fitted it on the front and back. I figured if it didn't work I could return the three unmounted wheels and sell the one we mounted to as used. We even lowered the car and turned the wheel fully left and right with full weight on the tire and no adverse results.

So while they were dismounting, mounting and balancing I was installing center caps on the new wheel that were ready to install. They used torque wrench, at my insistence, instead of the gun. I rechecked the torque this morning and all was good after 25 miles. Will check them again in another 25.

I love the way they look, shined them up this morning, I need to paint the rear drums, but for now they look pretty good as is.
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/dmatre/th_DSCN1282.jpg
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/dmatre/th_DSCN1283.jpg
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/dmatre/th_DSCN1284.jpg
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/dmatre/th_DSCN1285.jpg

 

[dmatre]

Ordered the wheels and lugs from Summit.

Had them installed yesterday. Test fitted a wheel on front and back before mounting the tires. The inside front of the wheel was very close to the edge of the tie rod end on the front, but it didn't touch and the wheel turned with no rub when turned fully to the left or right.

On the rear they were touching the drum weights so they didn't not sit level. We chiseled the weights off and they fit well. They didn't have the equipment to balance the wheels and drums as a unit. One of the techs said he had done it several times on Montes and never had a problem. I haven't noticed any vibration, but I figure if it becomes a problem, I can always take them some where that has the equipment and have them rebalanced with the drums attached.

After all of that and various opinions and speculation, especially on whether the tire was going to rub on the front, we mounted one tire and test fitted it on the front and back. I figured if it didn't work I could return the three unmounted wheels and sell the one we mounted to as used. We even lowered the car and turned the wheel fully left and right with full weight on the tire and no adverse results.

So while they were dismounting, mounting and balancing I was installing center caps on the new wheel that were ready to install. They used torque wrench, at my insistence, instead of the gun. I rechecked the torque this morning and all was good after 25 miles. Will check them again in another 25.

I love the way they look, shined them up this morning, I need to paint the rear drums, but for now they look pretty good as is.
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/dmatre/th_DSCN1282.jpg
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/dmatre/th_DSCN1283.jpg
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/dmatre/th_DSCN1284.jpg
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/dmatre/th_DSCN1285.jpg

http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/dmatre/DSCN1285.jpg

 

[dmatre]

Ordered the wheels and lugs from Summit.

Had them installed yesterday. Test fitted a wheel on front and back before mounting the tires. The inside front of the wheel was very close to the edge of the tie rod end on the front, but it didn't touch and the wheel turned with no rub when turned fully to the left or right.

On the rear they were touching the drum weights so they didn't not sit level. We chiseled the weights off and they fit well. They didn't have the equipment to balance the wheels and drums as a unit. One of the techs said he had done it several times on Montes and never had a problem. I haven't noticed any vibration, but I figure if it becomes a problem, I can always take them some where that has the equipment and have them rebalanced with the drums attached.

After all of that and various opinions and speculation, especially on whether the tire was going to rub on the front, we mounted one tire and test fitted it on the front and back. I figured if it didn't work I could return the three unmounted wheels and sell the one we mounted to as used. We even lowered the car and turned the wheel fully left and right with full weight on the tire and no adverse results.

So while they were dismounting, mounting and balancing I was installing center caps on the new wheel that were ready to install. They used torque wrench, at my insistence, instead of the gun. I rechecked the torque this morning and all was good after 25 miles. Will check them again in another 25.

I love the way they look, shined them up this morning, I need to paint the rear drums, but for now they look pretty good as is.


http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/dmatre/DSCN1285.jpg
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/dmatre/DSCN1284.jpg
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/dmatre/DSCN1283.jpg
http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr246/dmatre/DSCN1282.jpg

 

[rnhart3]

Old School man.....way cool...