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I have a 1972 El Camino WITHOUT factory air. It currently has a universal under dash unit that I would like to switch to an in dash type system. Has anyone had experience with BOTH companies and if so what is your preference and pros and cons?
I have looked at both their websites and it appears that Vintage offers just the inside system but I don’t see that option with Classic?
 

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I can't say anything about classic air but I put vintage in dash air/heat in my 69.

Major project but went fairly smoothly. I had to get ahold of them a few times both emails and phone. Good people to deal with. Walked me through my hiccups, even emailed me pics.

Finished product worked great.
 

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I'm running a Classic system and I have no major complaints with 38 degree F air at the center vent earlier today. I also did NOT lose any of the back half of my glove box capacity to fit the evaporator case in the dash, under the dash and behind the glove box. You should ask about this glove box aspect no matter which system you ultimately chose. I added a seven inch (I think that was the size) pusher fan in front of my condenser which got me maybe three degrees F worth of colder air.

The temperature control slider for heating is quite sensitive for too hot or too cold in the middle of the adjustment range. But I soon get it dialed in for best comfort.

I've not needed this feature on my Classic system but I'm told that its evaporator case is open-able and its subsystem parts such as the blower fan, the evaporator and expansion valve controls are all service-able if its ever necessary. I've never heard anybody mention that with Vintage.

My Classic system is three years old but the newer Classic systems are control-able by Bluetooth if that interests you.

Rick
 

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The Vintage air cases are sealed and not serviceable.
 

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@464elky Neal, Have you ever needed to open one or exchange it for repairs.?
Local hot rod shop here, says 10 years of Vintage Air installs and never needed to open one.
 

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I haven't done one yet but I am looking at the Restomod systems. I like the guys I have talked to there and the best part for me is they are local here in the DFW area. I'm planning on installing one in my Foxbody first since the system in the ElCo gets me by for now.

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Hello Sledge,

Yes, I already had two large and well shrouded puller fans behind the radiator. And yes, the three degrees F was most certainly worth it here in Deep South in the summertime. That a pusher fan on the condenser would be beneficial was easily revealed by lightly misting the fins of the condenser with water with the systems running. High side compressor head pressure dropped significantly and the vent temperature got lower with the mist water.

Fortunately, I have the big LS truck alternator at around 145 amps of capacity and I need it with two radiator fans, one condenser fan and a transmission cooler fan.

Rick
 

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Hey B52
You have me concerned now. I just bought this 67 with a 454 in it and it had a 15" shrouded fan on it with no air conditioning. I am in SW FL so I know what you are talking about relative to the deep south. I have a Classic Air on order and in preparation I just installed a CVF serpentine system. Unfortunately I lost 2" of space between the water pump and the radiator so now my fan won't fit. I have a 16" unshrouded fan on order from Summit that will give me about a 1/8 inch of clearance. It is supposed to pull 3100 CFM's, so I am hoping that is enough. Not sure what to do if it is not. Perhaps some small pushers on the outside? I have a 160 amp alternator so that should not be a problem. Thanks for the feed back.
 

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You might get by OK with 3100 CFM. I've found that I'm not so much fan constrained as I am water pump constrained around here.

My LS likes to lurk around 205 F to 215 stopped in hot summertime traffic which is about normal for an LS. But I can sit there at idle and right foot throttle the engine up to 1100 to 1200 rpm and shed 20 degrees F in just a few minutes.

Do I need a high capacity Melling water pump? IDK.

Rick

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@464elky Neal, Have you ever needed to open one or exchange it for repairs.?
Local hot rod shop here, says 10 years of Vintage Air installs and never needed to open one.
No I haven't ever had to replace or exchange a Vintage air unit. But on the other side of the coin it is inevitable that especially the heater core is going to start leaking with time .
 

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I can't say anything about classic air but I put vintage in dash air/heat in my 69.

Major project but went fairly smoothly. I had to get ahold of them a few times both emails and phone. Good people to deal with. Walked me through my hiccups, even emailed me pics.

Finished product worked great.
I used Vintage for my 72 and I totally agree with your statement.
 

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I entered this party late, but as an automotive a/c and electrical systems specialist for the past 42 years, and a past Vintage air distrubutor and installer, I would greatly avoid them like the plague. Classic Industries builds a superior and servicable unit at a fair price.
 

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When I added AC to my ‘68 I played mental marbles for quite a while before choosing CAA. The reasons were that their unit can be disassembled for an evaporator repair if ever necessary and I wouldn’t lose my passenger footwell vent.

The unit works fine and still blows cold air a few years later. BUT… installation wasn’t fun. The upper center vent they supplied was about 1/2” too narrow. I sent them pictures and spoke with them several times. Even though the pictures clearly showed that it would not fit over the dash opening they blindly insisted it was correct. I ended up cutting it in the middle and adding epoxy to widen it to fit.

They also supplied a ridiculous tray for the glovebox which looked like a half-size tray you’d use for drywall compound. I was supposed to screw this to the inside of my glovebox lid in such a way that I would have to chose whether I wanted everything would spill out of it while either open or while closed. I ended up making my own glovebox and tossing their tray in the garbage.

I’m not sure that VA would have been better, as I’ve never used one of their units.
 

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@acauth1 It is nice to have your input.
May I ask for clarification if you are speaking of Classic Industries (CA) or Classic Auto Air(TX)?
Same company, I think they also recently aquired old air products.
 
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