[Russ Camino]

Hello I took of smog stuff and I was replacing vacuum lines and I would like to remove what's in the
photo it connects to the water outlet it has two plugs on it. Can I just remove it by the big nut on bottom
or will antifreeze come out? Can any part of it be removed? Thanks Russ

 

[ghawk]

You can remove it and replace it with a plug if you like, but when you do pull it out, most likely would get some coolant to come out until it is the lowest point of the system. It wont hurt anything to leave it in however.

 

[inverse121]

That's the EFE TVS. If you are running the stock exhaust, you probably want to hook it back up. If you remove it, you are likely to lose a little coolant until you plug it.

 

[Russ Camino]

Thank you that's what I was thinking wanted to ask before I tried to remove. Russ

 

[57 Handyman]

Russ, if you are removing your smog and ECM totally and replacing carb and distributor, then you don't need that engine temperature sensor for your computer.

 

[Russ Camino]

Thank you. I might keep my carb and just have it rebuild. Do I need it if I keep the carb because I don't have what was connected to it? Russ

 

[Karadjgne]

That's the EFE TVS. If you are running the stock exhaust, you probably want to hook it back up. If you remove it, you are likely to lose a little coolant until you plug it.

A little? Lol. The efe-tvs is a thermal switch. When the coolant warms up enough, it closes and blocks vacuum downstream from it, without affecting the carburetor vacuum supply.

So in a smog delete, it's totally unnecessary equipment now, but either needs to stay or be plugged, if removed it'll dump coolant like nobody's business as it's screwed directly into the thermostat housing.

What's important is making sure the EFE on the passenger exhaust downpipe is tied wide open or deleted entirely, otherwise the exhaust from that side of the engine will get dumped right back into the intake/pcv.

Smog deletes should be Done, or Undone, half measures only lead to complications elsewhere.

 

[inverse121]

EFE has merit other than reduced exhaust emissions.

 

[Karadjgne]

Well yes, it does, since it puts fuel rich exhaust eventually back into the carburator, through the egr/pcv, and has the benefit of helping to warm the top of the block/intake, which shortens the warm up time, so startup period of richness is shorter and you end up saving fuel, especially on northern cars in winter time.

But if deleting the smog, egr, etc or have a southern car where you'd be lucky to see 40ish° on a cold morning, the efe doesn't really have any worthwhile function, it's just something more to become unreliable or a potential source of vacuum leak.

 

[darbysan]

Thank you. I might keep my carb and just have it rebuild. Do I need it if I keep the carb because I don't have what was connected to it? Russ

If you keep your carb, then almost all other parts of the"Smog" system will need to be in place ( ECM, Dist, EST, O2 Sensor, etc..). You can delete the smog pump and associated piping, etc, as it is not monitored by the ECM. The EFE is also not monitored, so it can be deleted, but as stated I would wire open the valve in the passenger exhaust manifold just to be sure. It should fail in the open position.

You've probably seen this, but for reference..

So you wnat to Remove "SMOG" stuff- a primer

Been here for years, and keep going over the same questions time and again, so I thought I would try and consolidate some thoughts in one place. This is meant as an informational post, not a debate over one solution vs another. This will tell you what you can safely remove, and what you will...

www.elcaminocentral.com

 

[Russ Camino]

The thing that needs wired open I think is gone see photo of left side manifold area. Will I have
to drain the engine completely to remove EFE and plug it? Thanks Russ

 

[Karadjgne]

The efe is way down in the back on the exhaust, right before it hits the manifold. It'll have a vacuum tube stuck into it. (or used to.)

And no, there should be very little coolant loss, if any, when removing the efe-tvs, just don't run the motor prior or after removal until it's plugged. It's a pressure fitting, it is stuck in the coolant path, so remember to seal it good, a standard bolt will leak.

 

[Russ Camino]

Thank you I think it was removed when I had the dual exhaust put on. What is good to seal it with? Russ

 

[greywolf]

On my rebuild I got some sealant (RTV?) from the auto parts shop that said it was good for coolant. Went onto a couple temp sensors, plugs, etc with no leaks in the years since.

 

[cyberray]

If you keep your carb, then almost all other parts of the"Smog" system will need to be in place ( ECM, Dist, EST, O2 Sensor, etc..). You can delete the smog pump and associated piping, etc, as it is not monitored by the ECM. The EFE is also not monitored, so it can be deleted, but as stated I would wire open the valve in the passenger exhaust manifold just to be sure. It should fail in the open position.

You've probably seen this, but for reference..

So you wnat to Remove "SMOG" stuff- a primer

Been here for years, and keep going over the same questions time and again, so I thought I would try and consolidate some thoughts in one place. This is meant as an informational post, not a debate over one solution vs another. This will tell you what you can safely remove, and what you will...

www.elcaminocentral.com

I'm surprised that Remove Smog Stuff thread is not stickied

 

[inverse121]

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[Karadjgne]

I'm surprised that Remove Smog Stuff thread is not stickied

I'm not. Tampering with a vehicle's emissions control system is illegal under the Clean Air Act (CAA). The CAA also prohibits manufacturing, selling, offering for sale and installing aftermarket devices which effectively defeat those controls.

While technically some are covered under exemptions due to age, most of us aren't, if you have a car that came with smog, it should have smog. But without government testing and oversight, like yearly emissions testing, it's left upto local/state authorities to enforce. Which they mostly don't.

By 'stickying' the delete, you go from public sharing of info, which is a First Amendment protected activity, to an endorsed Activity, which isn't covered and could land NECOA in legal trouble, like what happened to the Diesel Brothers who had youtube videos proving violations.

Tampering and Aftermarket Defeat Devices | Clean Air Northeast

Clean Air Northeast combines the expertise of public and private partners in a coordinated regional initiative to significantly reduce diesel emissions and improve public health in the eight northeastern states.

cleanairnortheast.epa.gov

 

[Russ Camino]

Thank you.

 

[cyberray]

I'm not. Tampering with a vehicle's emissions control system is illegal under the Clean Air Act (CAA). The CAA also prohibits manufacturing, selling, offering for sale and installing aftermarket devices which effectively defeat those controls.

While technically some are covered under exemptions due to age, most of us aren't, if you have a car that came with smog, it should have smog. But without government testing and oversight, like yearly emissions testing, it's left upto local/state authorities to enforce. Which they mostly don't.

By 'stickying' the delete, you go from public sharing of info, which is a First Amendment protected activity, to an endorsed Activity, which isn't covered and could land NECOA in legal trouble, like what happened to the Diesel Brothers who had youtube videos proving violations.

Tampering and Aftermarket Defeat Devices | Clean Air Northeast

Clean Air Northeast combines the expertise of public and private partners in a coordinated regional initiative to significantly reduce diesel emissions and improve public health in the eight northeastern states.

cleanairnortheast.epa.gov

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en.wikipedia.org

1975 and up

section on Installation
When catalytic converters were first introduced, most vehicles used carburetors that provided a relatively rich air-fuel ratio. Oxygen (O2) levels in the exhaust stream were therefore generally insufficient for the catalytic reaction to occur efficiently. Most designs of the time therefore included secondary air injection, which injected air into the exhaust stream. This increased the available oxygen, allowing the catalyst to function as intended.